US conducted a Haiti help drill 1 day before the earthquake

[alien pimp]

there is no way to predict earthquakes with more than mins before and i bet my ass the mathematical probabilities for a coincidence is the same as me meeting mickey rourke at the same coffee shop in seoul

the rest of the implications are yours

The probability of you existing is over 10 the power of 10 to the power of 123 but you do.

if you are willing to believe in such coincidences you are willing to believe in anything and i can't change that so no argue
just watch the forthcoming events

[alien pimp]

I wonder whether the inefficiancy is due to so many different organisations wanting to be involved...

I reckon this. When I last heard there was atleast 20 different organizations working there, I'd imagine they're having communication and logistical problems all over the place, must be completely mental.

I think transport is also a major problem, all the roads are fucked, the port is ruined, the airport is tiny etc etc

this, i dont get why people feel the need to bash the relief effort when it is obviously a very complicated and difficult job, especially due to haiti's location and economical situation. instead of slagging off the relief effort and questioning their abilities, why not contribute yourself to where you consider to be the most useful place to donate your assistance and have your thoughts for the people of the country not the efforts of the aid people?

this isn't aimed at anyone in particular, but it just seems wrong to me that the media would put so much effort into covering the mishaps of the aid relief when that effort could be put to better use to help out the people of the country. yes obviously there have been problems, but i think they are inavoidable and as long as there are best efforts put into damage limitation and accomodating what is left then there is not much else we can do in the face of such a tragedy.

sorry this isnt a particularly well worded rant but i couldnt figure out how to vocalise something i feel this strongly about, i have family on the island who are there seeing and hearing about this on the frontline of it and i think there are much more important things to do than bitch about the relief efforts problems.

did anyone check the "cancel haiti's debt" petitions to see how they can bring relief to people with a signature? [i mean a high official signature, not yours]

[magma]

there is no way to predict earthquakes with more than mins before and i bet my ass the mathematical probabilities for a coincidence is the same as me meeting mickey rourke at the same coffee shop in seoul

the rest of the implications are yours

The probability of you existing is over 10 the power of 10 to the power of 123 but you do.

if you are willing to believe in such coincidences you are willing to believe in anything and i can't change that so no argue
just watch the forthcoming events

People win lotteries at astronomical odds every week. If you worked out the probability of all the random coincidences that go on every day, you'd probably not even believe in your own existance.

I'm fairly sure you exist though... the idea that someone would make you up is just too far fetched.

[metalboxproducts]

I wonder whether the inefficiancy is due to so many different organisations wanting to be involved...

I reckon this. When I last heard there was atleast 20 different organizations working there, I'd imagine they're having communication and logistical problems all over the place, must be completely mental.

I think transport is also a major problem, all the roads are fucked, the port is ruined, the airport is tiny etc etc

this, i dont get why people feel the need to bash the relief effort when it is obviously a very complicated and difficult job, especially due to haiti's location and economical situation. instead of slagging off the relief effort and questioning their abilities, why not contribute yourself to where you consider to be the most useful place to donate your assistance and have your thoughts for the people of the country not the efforts of the aid people?

this isn't aimed at anyone in particular, but it just seems wrong to me that the media would put so much effort into covering the mishaps of the aid relief when that effort could be put to better use to help out the people of the country. yes obviously there have been problems, but i think they are inavoidable and as long as there are best efforts put into damage limitation and accomodating what is left then there is not much else we can do in the face of such a tragedy.

sorry this isnt a particularly well worded rant but i couldnt figure out how to vocalise something i feel this strongly about, i have family on the island who are there seeing and hearing about this on the frontline of it and i think there are much more important things to do than bitch about the relief efforts problems.

There are going to be problems with any relief effort in any part of the world
particularly when the country in question is as under developed as Haiti. I've not seen any TV pictures but i can guess the place is utterly destroyed. This in it self is going to massively hamper the efforts to help the people of Haiti.

[alien pimp]

People win lotteries at astronomical odds every week.

yeah, and us army does zillions of exercises for haiti being hit by a calamity, just as many as lottery tickets sold every week

[metalboxproducts]

Anyway, I hope that as a consequence of this Haiti will get the economic aid and development that it needs. And frankly, i don't give a shit where the money comes from. Wether it be big business or massise government loans.

[magma]

People win lotteries at astronomical odds every week.

yeah, and us army does zillions of exercises for haiti being hit by a calamity, just as many as lottery tickets sold every week

Alien Pimp's thinking hard. This would be considered a "story" by sensationalists like yourself if they'd been within a month of the earthquake. Given that they probably do some sort of testing, process updates or indeed, in this case, creation of this sort of thing once a year... the actual chances of this being "noteworthy" to conspiracists is about 1 in 12.

MASSIVE coincidence!

You realise that the US Government (and plenty of other Western Governments) pay people full time to be prepared for this sort of stuff, right? And there are countless volunteer organisations and NGOs that work fulltime too? So there would almost always be someone that was recently "working on" possible relief efforts for any potential disaster.

But yeah, good. Great find. Really useful information.

Anyway, I hope that as a consequence of this Haiti will get the economic aid and development that it needs. And frankly, i don't give a shit where the money comes from. Wether it be big business or massise government loans.

This. This. This.

[alien pimp]

You realise that the US Government (and plenty of other Western Governments) pay people full time to be prepared for this sort of stuff, right? And there are countless volunteer organisations and NGOs that work fulltime too? So there would almost always be someone that was recently "working on" possible relief efforts for any potential disaster.

that's not what happened
what happened is us probably never made such an exercise before ever, or if they did 1-2, that's still an astronomical coincidence and that's nothing i can accept easier than a plan

the only issue is how much we can trust that source, as i didn't have time to double check it

why am i taking you seriously anyway?

[rbnc]

On Monday, Jean Demay, DISA's technical manager for the agency's Transnational Information Sharing Cooperation project, happened to be at the headquarters of the U.S. Southern Command in Miami preparing for a test of the system in a scenario that involved providing relief to Haiti in the wake of a hurricane. After the earthquake hit on Tuesday, Demay said SOUTHCOM decided to go live with the system.

http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20100 ... f=topstory

The scum who are suggesting this are horrible, horrible retards.

Alien, you're 33 bruv, grow the fuck up, stop smoking so much weed, stop believing everything you read on the Internet and stop peddling nonsense..

[DRTY]

People win lotteries at astronomical odds every week.

yeah, and us army does zillions of exercises for haiti being hit by a calamity, just as many as lottery tickets sold every week

[alien pimp]

On Monday, Jean Demay, DISA's technical manager for the agency's Transnational Information Sharing Cooperation project, happened to be at the headquarters of the U.S. Southern Command in Miami preparing for a test of the system in a scenario that involved providing relief to Haiti in the wake of a hurricane. After the earthquake hit on Tuesday, Demay said SOUTHCOM decided to go live with the system.

http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20100 ... f=topstory

The scum who are suggesting this are horrible, horrible retards.

Alien, you're 33 bruv, grow the fuck up, stop smoking so much weed, stop believing everything you read on the Internet and stop peddling nonsense..

magma is the mature guy in the house, i just don't take advices from the likes of you

[Firkles]

I don't get why alien get's so much shit, I don't agree with much of what he has to say but I find it interesting none the less and you can still have a debate with someone (fnar fnar arf arf) with out resorting to ad hominem tactics. It's similar with Parsons, I don't always agree with what the mad bastard has to say but I can't deny that it does provoke some though and I do find it interesting.

Chill Ninjas

[karmacazee]

The article doesn't say they were doing anything except testing a communications system. There was no 'drill' or anything like that, they're talking about

a Web portal with multiple social networking tools to aid in coordinating their efforts.

The information sharing project, developed with backing from both SOUTHCOM and the Defense Department's European Command, has been in development for three years. It is designed to facilitate multilateral collaboration between federal and nongovernmental agencies.

I don't get what you're implying at all, in fact, I think you've got the wrong end of the stick entirely.

yeah, and us army does zillions of exercises for haiti being hit by a calamity

[magma]

I don't get what you're implying at all.

Several of the 318,000,000 people in the US did some IT work concerning disaster relief Haiti the day before the Earthquake therefore the US were clearly behind it is about the gist of it.

[rbnc]

I don't get why alien get's so much shit, I don't agree with much of what he has to say but I find it interesting none the less and you can still have a debate with someone (fnar fnar arf arf) with out resorting to ad hominem tactics. It's similar with Parsons, I don't always agree with what the mad bastard has to say but I can't deny that it does provoke some though and I do find it interesting.

Chill Ninjas

Because I look at the horrible pain and suffering that millions of people are going through and people waste their time peddling terrible lies and blaming the US government in an matter where they've given millions of dollars and facilitated getting aid to thousands.

With regards to it being an ad hominem attack; how could it be anything but? Concepts are merely essential (in the Sartre sense) and exist only essentially because PEOPLE peddle them, this idea/theory/whatever you want to call it, only exists when people suggest it is true, so why would you berate an abstract concept itself when the concept only exists because of that person. You can't just say and do what you want then abstract yourself from your thoughts and actions, that's now how the world works.

I agree his age is irrelevant, but I find it fairly telling when someone should be old enough and experienced enough to know better and to apply a bit of common sense, decency and respect in a time when millions of people are suffering. You expect this shit from 13 year olds who live in their mum's basement just after they got their Internet connection.

[alien pimp]

I don't get what you're implying at all.

Several of the 318,000,000 people in the US did some IT work concerning disaster relief Haiti the day before the Earthquake therefore the US were clearly behind it is about the gist of it.

yeah, it happens every day, so chill out, close the thread

and salute the fact that magma got it right for once!
it happens to him less than to a broken clock, but it's progress anyway

[alien pimp]

I don't get why alien get's so much shit, I don't agree with much of what he has to say but I find it interesting none the less and you can still have a debate with someone (fnar fnar arf arf) with out resorting to ad hominem tactics. It's similar with Parsons, I don't always agree with what the mad bastard has to say but I can't deny that it does provoke some though and I do find it interesting.

Chill Ninjas

Because I look at the horrible pain and suffering that millions of people are going through and people waste their time peddling terrible lies and blaming the US government in an matter where they've given millions of dollars and facilitated getting aid to thousands.

you're like the guys that argue with me for 10 pages after saying they can't understand shit of what i say
just more of a loser because you waste your time time to bash some immature guy on internet you have nothing to do with and judge him for rising an eyebrow to weird coincidences, then complain about humanity not paying attention to the real issues and efforts
go relief haiti! with your mouth!

[DRTY]

I don't get why alien get's so much shit, I don't agree with much of what he has to say but I find it interesting none the less and you can still have a debate with someone (fnar fnar arf arf) with out resorting to ad hominem tactics.

I don't think anyone's really ever been unreasonable to ap. Making statements, even if indirect about something like America being the cause of an Earthquake that's killed hundreds of thousand of people should really expect a bit of skepticism.

The only times I've seen people be nasty toward alien is after he's insulted them.

[karmacazee]

I don't get what you're implying at all.

Several of the 318,000,000 people in the US did some IT work concerning disaster relief Haiti the day before the Earthquake therefore the US were clearly behind it is about the gist of it.

yeah, it happens every day, so chill out, close the thread

and salute the fact that magma got it right for once!
it happens to him less than to a broken clock, but it's progress anyway

I don't care about the beef between you and magma, I just fail to see how you could draw the conclusion you've come to from that specific article.

Edit: I'll shut up now.

[alien pimp]

PS:

didn't i get the same shit when i said swine flu will be about some dubious mass vaccination?
or when i said obama will be hated by most people before one year?
or...

and this time i'm only saying this is more than a coincidence if it happened