Dubstep Roots - What are yours? The debate...

slowlygoingdeaf · Post by **slowlygoingdeaf** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:25 am

mid to late 90s hiphop > further underground hiphop > instrumental hiphop/beats > downtempo/acid jazz/whatever label > dubstep (after hearing practice hours)

and of course a little bit from here and there. still listen to and check for everything there of course - taste hasnt shifted, just widened in scope.

musty dust · Post by **musty dust** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:06 pm

urrr where do i start. From the age of about 8 started to listen to hip hop and coming from Bristol there was all ways drum and bass in the background. At 11 when I moved to secondary school in about 1999 garage was starting to take off and was what every one listened to at school so was a natural progression. From about 13 I started listing to john peel. listing to john as I got a bit older he got me really in to ‘shit catapult recordings’ and ‘skam records’ from there I started to discover electro and techno which intern let me to discover house which linked back to the garage I was listing to at school anyway. Again I was still listing to john and remember him playing all the jon e cash stuff and the early black ops tunes coming out at the time. Also another tune that sticks in my head and made a big impact on me was Dj eastwoods – regime. At about the same time I herd Spectr - 'Saigon’ which was the first dubstep track I would say I herd.

relaks · Post by **relaks** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:09 pm

Corpsey wrote:I made up dubstep in 1986 but I decided it was too ahead of its time and got into He-Man instead.

unlikely · Post by **unlikely** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:59 pm

I've never seen a kebab that looks like that, what is it, ciabatta? that aint no kebab son!

kion · Post by **kion** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:01 pm

unlikely wrote:I've never seen a kebab that looks like that, what is it, ciabatta? that aint no kebab son!

Donna Ciabab

Sounds like a porn star.

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:29 pm

unlikely wrote:I've never seen a kebab that looks like that, what is it, ciabatta? that aint no kebab son!

Mmmm. Gotta say that ain't no kebab like i've seen. Could be one of those Kensington kebabs i've heard about...

polho · Post by **polho** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:17 pm

Shards wrote: ...early-mid 00's Psychedelic Dub (Shpongle, Shulman, Ott).....

Finally!

The intro of that track is what probably got me into music "properly" once and for all.

necta selecta · Post by **necta selecta** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:17 pm

prisoner wrote

i think people who slate off garage haven't heard much other then the tru steppers & the all the champagne nonsense music that got famous in 2000.

that's it really, it happens with any underground movement- people outside of the scene only hear the cheesey popy or gimmicy side. The dark, weird or intense classics that are often bigger than the cheese (within the scene) rarely make it out into mainstream conciousness.

@prisoner - be seeing you!

redcoat-project51 · Post by **redcoat-project51** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:49 am

man.... how did i end up into this stuff?

electro to hip hop to house to acid house to 'ardcore to jungle to dnb to dubstep.... with lots of good doses of techno, trance, psy trance, breakbeat and yes GARAGE in between all that although I never really got the speed garage thing to be honest but some of the classy 2-step ive heard over the years was rockin. I have no real clue how dubstep came out of all that... but does it really matter? All i know is i found it ...... and ive been addicted ever since.

been a dedicated follower/dj for dnb since 1993 but as is the common thing... it lost its creative edge.....and dubstep has stepped up to continue pushing that "something". With electronic music so saturated with variety and styles now, i have the UPMOST respect for the main players in being able to carve out something fresh and exciting. Thats not an easy task now is it!!!

two oh one · Post by **two oh one** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:51 am

Techno--->Acid Techno---->Jungle---> Techstep/Darkstep--->Techno Industrial/Powernoise--->Dubstep. I've always, always listened to Dub, though. I get bored when things stagnate. Haven't been into Drum'n'bass since the T-Power days, but recently my interest peaked with Stakka's 'Clockwork' EP.

crash fistfight · Post by **crash fistfight** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:12 am

metalboxproducts wrote:Mmmm. Gotta say that ain't no kebab like i've seen. Could be one of those Kensington kebabs i've heard about...

Too upper class thoes kebabs have monacles, thats one of thoes middle class housewife kebabs, there should be some fake gold taps in the photo, been edited out.

dublinstep · Post by **dublinstep** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:16 am

Yeah I guess I'd have a similar path to some people here.
Really liked the 4/4 bassline garage with the more ragga MC'ing styles around 97/98, it was the bassline that really hooked me in, the sound systems at the NHCarnival were all about making you shit your pants with the low frequencies the year I was at it in 97, but I got a bit sick of it because of the a) 'champagne' scene, and b) wasnt mad keen on the more light and commercial vocal stuff which dominated it for a bit. I wasnt living in London any more either so wasnt exposed to as much of that music and buried my head back into minimal techno, esp. the dubby end of things like plastikman and basic channel (which if you listen to the stuff they're doing now as Rhythm & Sound, its not a million miles away from the Kode9 + Spaceape album - acres of reverb and those deep patois vocals.. fuckin sound stuff...)

But then I really got back into it again with the likes of Zed Bias, El-B, and some Steve Gurley stuff; nice, low and dirty. I still like this end of things but its near impossible to hear it over here, so again I drifted away... but then about a year ago started listening to dubstep and really liked the pace and space of it. I was never a huge fan of jungle/dnb, maybe I'm just unfit but could never hack the pace of the beats all night. Its good to retain the bass frequencies though.

I guess some people hear the dnb or dub origins, but for me I always hear the garage in all (or most) dubstep tracks. I like some dub music but I think the production methods are so different, dubstep sounds very digital and doesnt really evoke memories of king tubby in my brain. Its garage all the way for my cortex.

Same way if I listen to all that microhouse/glitch-tech stuff like on Forcetracks (RIP), I always hear Maurizio's 'M5' as the foundation stone, and everything else in those genres developing from it...

loki · Post by **loki** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:21 am

For myself I've been listening to breaks and dnb forever and then I heard Oris Jay do a guest spot on The Autobots BreaksFM show a few years ago and remeber thinking holy shit this is really good. I also couldn't figure out why I didn't know what any of of the tracks were. Come to find at the time his stuff on Texture and the early Tempa and Vehicle stuff were being put in the garage section of my local shop and that's why I never found them, haha.

ignite77 · Post by **ignite77** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:53 am

Im really into dnb - and got into dubstep because of my brother

My brother who is really into dubstep - got into it through being massively into his dub, (scientist etc) and ragga discovered dubstep and took me along to fwd.

Mighty Moe, Crazy D and Hatcha played such an amazing set that i fell in love the music - I really liked the atmosphere at fwd too - compared to the state of most dnb raves these days it was a godsend.

So I have started buying records and got really into it - love some of the basslines and also the quite faster stuff like congo by geenius.

I really like the garage/grime/dubstep crossovers you get - and generally prefer the darker stuff!

spotrusha · Post by **spotrusha** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:33 am

i was very into drum n bass in the late 90's and i would read about uk garage so much here in the states, but no shops would ever stock it! i was able to find the blackmarket 2 step vol. 2 comp, a wookie 12", and re-rewind and stuff like that. breakbeat science had a little section for a while but they didn't get much. so i sort of gave up on it, but when i started hearing about nasty crew and roll deep, i got back into it through grime then dubstep. what sucks is that i missed out on the el-b, oris jay-type stuff and i'm not getting really into it. i think it's great how burial and some of the newer dmz is putting that sort of vibe back into it and i'd like to see skream and other producers experiment with the sound too. i think "summer dreamz" is one of my fav tracks on "skream!" actually!

jimmer · Post by **jimmer** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:17 am

my music taste has mostly been influenced by my family...

my dad was a reggae/dub DJ when i was a nipper so that love for basslines has been there from the start...

but then my mum was heavily into punk so i got quite heavily into that but also lovin the garage as that was what my brother in to. from there i went onto DnB around 2000ish and onto breaks/house/techNO/electro etc etc

then a few years back i went along to one of the old context nights and heard this odd "new" sound that had elements of most the music i liked, and have loved it ever since!

large up Pinch for that...

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:19 am

KION wrote:
unlikely wrote:I've never seen a kebab that looks like that, what is it, ciabatta? that aint no kebab son!
Donna Ciabab

Sounds like a porn star.

Feels like one too if you turn the lights out

jimmer · Post by **jimmer** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:25 am

Corpsey wrote:
KION wrote:
unlikely wrote:I've never seen a kebab that looks like that, what is it, ciabatta? that aint no kebab son!
Donna Ciabab

Sounds like a porn star.
Feels like one too if you turn the lights out

far too early for that kind of behaviour...

jimmer · Post by **jimmer** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:25 am

edit: dont know why i needed that twice...

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