Anarchism

[Coppola]

I don't know much about it.
I'm not talking about Punks I'm talking about the proper political ideal of Anarchism as I'd like to know more about it.
Does it theoretically work? Has it been tried before? Are any of you Ninjas Anarchists?
Very curious about this area indeed.

[hackman]

a lot of my thoughts on society etc fit in with anarchist ideas, but i wouldnt say im an anarchist

[Coppola]

Have you got any info on how an Anarchist society would work?

[2manynoobs]

anarchy is a very noble idea, and in theory if everyone co-operates it should be possible.

BBBBBBBBBUt. everyday it's proven wrong. For instance: airplains. People wanking about the noise they make (which is very understandable if you can't sleep). But airplanes won't stop flying at night = no more big moneyzzzzzz -> an intervention from government is needed. And that's just one example.

anarchy isn't just every man for himself, and everyone free to do what he want's (no illegal stuff tho). It's also giving in things. Saying yes. putting some water in you wine (english people know that saying btw). And when it comes to society, or money or whatever, people are fucking cocky-ass-selfish bithes. Even me.

I would love anarchy, but cuntass people just make it impossible.

If you'd like to start a country with me one day with anarchy as political base, PM me tho. I'll be glad to help

edit: interesting topic tho

[isiahfire]

Alan Moore ( author of Watchmen and V for Vendetta and others) is an Anarchist, he did an interview with Vice recently where he said some pretty interesting stuff about Anarchism. Here ya go.


You have advocated anarchy both in your work and personally in the past. Would that be your answer to the social problems discussed in Dodgem Logic?

Well, in the second issue I will actually be writing an article introducing anarchy and explaining how it could practically be applied to our current situation. So, yes. One of the things that I will be looking at is the principle of the Athenian lottery and the concept of sortition. Sortition basically dictates that on any issue that needs to be settled on a national or administrative level, you appoint a jury by lottery. They can come from anywhere within the culture and they are appointed purely at random. The pros and cons of the case are then presented to the jury, which they then listen to, debate, and vote on. After the decision, they are no longer part of the jury. They melt back into society, and for the next issue another jury is appointed. That system seems to me like it might be approaching something like democracy, which is something that we do not have at the moment. The word “democracy” comes from “demos,” the people, and “cratos,” to rule—“the people rule.” It doesn’t say anything about the elected representatives of the people ruling, which is the system that we have at the moment. By moving to something closer to sortition, we would create a system safe from many of the abuses of our current model of government. It is quite difficult to buy people’s favor if you don’t know who the people you need to be buttering up are going to be. It would also be difficult for the temporary ruling body to act in their own interest, as it would make more sense for them to act in the interest of the society that they would be returning to.

This is interesting. It has elements of anarchy and democracy in it.

Yes, it would square the circle between the ideas of anarchy and government. My definition of anarchy is the Greek one: no leaders. It is difficult to think of an ordered society that conforms to that ideal, and yet with the Athenian lottery you wouldn’t have leaders, you would have individual people making balanced decisions. It would take an enormous amount of constitutional change, but I like putting the idea out there so that it is a possibility and something to be discussed. Our current form of government clearly isn’t working, and we can’t just keep trying to make quick fixes on a model that is inherently flawed. It might be the time for a new model rather than putting continual patches on the radiator of the old Model T Ford that has come to the end of its natural lifetime.

[2manynoobs]

^that's very very very nice. And that lottery system is very very very reasonable with modern days technology: computer + internet = cast out your vote @ home in 2:00 minutes.

But it's never gonna happen. Or at least nowhere soon. So if someone is going to start an anarchist country, count me in!

[esfandyar]

green anarchist here. If anyone here heard about the arrests in phoenix during the latest anti-joe arpaio protest, I was one of the anarchists arrested.

[AntlionUK]

i love ho pleased you look with yourself good job

[alien pimp]

as it's been said here before: fuck all -isms

[2manynoobs]

no seriously, you got arrested by the ..... the.... the bikepolice?

[Coppola]

as it's been said here before: fuck all -isms

Do you mean fuck names and categorisation of the ideas or fuck the ideas altogether?
If you mean the latter, how would your 'model' society run?

[AntlionUK]

i don't think there is a model society that could ever work.

[2manynoobs]

i don't think there is a model society that could ever work.

no there isn't. But there are certainly many that are better then what we're stuck with now....

You might wanna read some aristoteles.

[Coppola]

i don't think there is a model society that could ever work.

It depends how you define 'work'

[2manynoobs]

i don't think there is a model society that could ever work.

It depends how you define 'work'

it's impossible to make life 100% fair for every and each person. It's noble but impossible. But you can try to work and make it as fair as you can get imo. And with a system like we have now it's not very good imo. We've got internet. why don't we use it to vote? why still these damn power slurping party's, while you can have a 100% democracy

[AntlionUK]

greed.

[firky]

A good resource is here:

http://libcom.org/

I'd stick with European anarchism for your research and only look at American Anarchism for the lols (the ABC forums are good for lols), actually I shouldo clarify that american anarchism has a far greater teenage rage against hte machine following than in europe. FUCK YOU I WONT TIDY MY BEDROOM.

I often go to the anarchist book fair:

http://www.anarchistbookfair.org/

Loads of more resources on that website here:

http://www.anarchistbookfair.org/websites.html

I wouldn't call myself an anarchist, I don't have a mangy dog on a bit of string called 'rizla' and I think GA's are a bunch of nutters akin to ALF. For instance they supported hte sarin gas attacks in tokoyo and some have even said that genocide is a good thing because it gets rid of humans


Anyway check out the Libcom anarchist library, shit loads of stuff there:

http://libcom.org/search/apachesolr_sea ... %3Alibrary

The forum is really good too, posted and lurked there years but I never give myself away :p

[helix]

I fully endorse anarchy.

[esfandyar]

no seriously, you got arrested by the ..... the.... the bikepolice?

well, by the first photo theres about 5 policemen involved who took me down, 2 were undercovers.

and the officer arresting me was in a TRU uniform, he was part of a tactical riot oppression unit when out at the protest... they use the bikes to corral protesters.

A good resource is here:

http://libcom.org/

I'd stick with European anarchism for your research and only look at American Anarchism for the lols (the ABC forums are good for lols), actually I shouldo clarify that american anarchism has a far greater teenage rage against hte machine following than in europe. FUCK YOU I WONT TIDY MY BEDROOM.

I often go to the anarchist book fair:

http://www.anarchistbookfair.org/

Loads of more resources on that website here:

http://www.anarchistbookfair.org/websites.html

I wouldn't call myself an anarchist, I don't have a mangy dog on a bit of string called 'rizla' and I think GA's are a bunch of nutters akin to ALF. For instance they supported hte sarin gas attacks in tokoyo and some have even said that genocide is a good thing because it gets rid of humans


Anyway check out the Libcom anarchist library, shit loads of stuff there:

http://libcom.org/search/apachesolr_sea ... %3Alibrary

The forum is really good too, posted and lurked there years but I never give myself away :p

to each is own, Im not trying to change anyone's mind

especially on a forum where its pointless to argue

we just had john zerzan (probably the most modern thinker when it comes to green anarchy, primitivist and militant) out here with dan todd to speak, had a great crowd too. in every categorical group there are nutters... anarchists are no different. some of the kookiest people I have met have been involved in more radical or counter culture politics... I guess compared to how society governs "normality." For instance, Jerry Falwell was insane and a evangelical republican. I think its all about people who are kind, who stand for something real, and have empathy for others. lots of good comes from just that. anarchy has resonated to me from those simple morals years and years ago.

the american anarchists have alot to learn from the europeans... the greeks especially, but historically america has had great american thinkers and participants throughout its history. look at josiah warren, anne hutchinson, benjamin tucker.
i guess we always have lots to learn from eachother, no one is ever considered "better", I dont think thats what was implied. we all have different governments and how they handle radicals, and the people there fighting against their governments have to do it in the best way they can.

I think people here have been exposed to a lot of commercial anarchy...

if you are really interested in works well written, check out these authors and revolutionaries to name a few.

peter kropotkin
alexander berkman
mikail bakunin
buenaventura durruti

[firky]

buenaventura durruti is awesome incredible speaker

It is we the workers who built these palaces and cities here in Spain and in America and everywhere. We, the workers, can build others to take their place. And better ones! We are not in the least afraid of ruins.

There's loads of good american thinkers, I just think as you say people have been exposed to commercial anarchism in america more than in europe. Alex Berkman although russian liked to think of himself as an american... then he went and tried to assassinate that businessman under the POTD but I have never really been a fan of illegalism unless it suits my own agenda (which is the problem).

Have you heard of Fabian Tompsett? He did an awful lot of research into GAs and exposed some very dodgy ideologies, it'll be worth your while googling him.