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EQ Settings?

Post by soziblewuup » Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:25 pm

I don't know if there's certain values used, but i suck at equalizing, defiantly my worst area.

I wandered if anyone could give me values to EQ my bassline and drums etc. at. I'm using m-class equalizer in reason.

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Re: EQ Settings?

Post by kejk » Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:31 pm

lol... if there was a certain magical setting, why would you even have the knobs?

If it sounds good it doesn't need EQ.
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Re: EQ Settings?

Post by soziblewuup » Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:35 pm

But the thing is i think it sounds good i upload it and people say it needs to be EQ'ing, im just askin if theres any rough settings that are used, there may not be, just asking

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Re: EQ Settings?

Post by legend4ry » Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:41 pm

soziblewuup wrote:But the thing is i think it sounds good i upload it and people say it needs to be EQ'ing, im just askin if theres any rough settings that are used, there may not be, just asking
It don't really work like that, you need to hear for harsh frequencies and take them out - thats all EQing is really, fixing bad frequencies.

Are you sure these people know what they're talking about? Maybe your tunes to compressed or something?
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Re: EQ Settings?

Post by Echoi » Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:46 pm

legend4ry wrote:
soziblewuup wrote:But the thing is i think it sounds good i upload it and people say it needs to be EQ'ing, im just askin if theres any rough settings that are used, there may not be, just asking
It don't really work like that, you need to hear for harsh frequencies and take them out - thats all EQing is really, fixing bad frequencies.

Are you sure these people know what they're talking about? Maybe your tunes to compressed or something?
thats pretty much the same as i said in a samilar thread 2 weeks ago, then macc said theres no such thing as bad frequencies :D

sozible, you could have 10 kick drums, and each would probaby require a different approach to eq'ing, some maybe too bottom heavy, or to 'ringy' in the high end etc

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Re: EQ Settings?

Post by soziblewuup » Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:47 pm

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soziblewuup wrote:But the thing is i think it sounds good i upload it and people say it needs to be EQ'ing, im just askin if theres any rough settings that are used, there may not be, just asking
It don't really work like that, you need to hear for harsh frequencies and take them out - thats all EQing is really, fixing bad frequencies.

Are you sure these people know what they're talking about? Maybe your tunes to compressed or something?
I think it might be to do with my kick not coming through properly, it seems to not punch through and then when i try to make it more dominant it messes with all the headroom and inter fears with the bass.

Do you know how to solve this problem, i think thats it tbf ?

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Re: EQ Settings?

Post by dreadheaded » Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:54 pm

i find with bass drums, in general i will cut them below between 50-100hz depending on the sub, then for attack i sometimes will boost frequencies generally higher then 200-400hz to help bring it out in the mix


something you always want to consider specially with 2 such key parts is they need to be taking up there own space in the sound, so if your bass and kick are hitting the same frequencies then they are going to interfere with each other and sound muddy, specially with those 2 because they are generally going to be quite loud in the mix
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Re: EQ Settings?

Post by legend4ry » Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:57 pm

if the kick isn't coming through enough, layer it or bring it up in the mix (as in increase the volume) or bring other things down? Don't go for the EQ all the time..

Maybe chop a little of the low-low end (like.. < 50hz) off to not mess with the sub.
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Re: EQ Settings?

Post by djake » Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:21 pm

theres a nice graph someone posted here ages ago, ive got it on my computer but its not working at the moment, if i remember i will post it up once i get it working.

it gives you a rough guide, as to where most instruments are in the frequency range.

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Re: EQ Settings?

Post by soziblewuup » Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:24 pm

djake wrote:theres a nice graph someone posted here ages ago, ive got it on my computer but its not working at the moment, if i remember i will post it up once i get it working.

it gives you a rough guide, as to where most instruments are in the frequency range.


That would be ace, thanks

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Re: EQ Settings?

Post by soziblewuup » Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:26 pm

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Here it is, forget the intro with the music, i purposely made the drums quieter at the start and frogot to change them back for this upload, i'm on about the from when the music stops and goes into the drop ( which may i say any tips on that drop would be good cuz its s*** lol).


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Re: EQ Settings?

Post by Basic A » Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:50 pm

soziblewuup wrote: I think it might be to do with my kick not coming through properly, it seems to not punch through and then when i try to make it more dominant it messes with all the headroom and inter fears with the bass.

Do you know how to solve this problem, i think thats it tbf ?
Compress it... up your percieved volume without fuckin with your power/headroom.

And I think what people are meaning to say about EQing your tracks is that your levels are off in your mixdown... thier just dumb listeners and dont know what eqing means though.
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Re: EQ Settings?

Post by Echoi » Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:06 pm

also, dont spend too long trying to make something fit.

if it doesnt sound right, sometimes its better to move on and find another hit that will do a nicer job

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Re: EQ Settings?

Post by legend4ry » Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:07 pm

Echoi wrote:also, dont spend too long trying to make something fit.

if it doesnt sound right, sometimes its better to move on and find another hit that will do a nicer job
Mhm, its so much easier to just find another sound, spesh with drums..
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Re: EQ Settings?

Post by nowaysj » Sun Feb 14, 2010 6:17 pm

Only time I eq drums is for special fx, or on the drum buss. Even well chosen samples can start to mud out when shit gets crazy. Watch the area around 300hz, a 3 db dip might be in order.

But look dood, it's kind of silly asking for the kind of advice your asking for. It is clear that you're newb, no offense, but you're just going to have to learn how to do this using your ears. For most people this takes years and years. I'm halfway through my second decade bro, and tuns more to learn. This shit is hard, don't be fooled. But have to use your ears.

As you work, compare you mix with a released song (or songs) that is similar. That will be a very helpful guide. Good luck. Strap yourself in, it is a wild ride.
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Re: EQ Settings?

Post by soziblewuup » Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:45 pm

nowaysj wrote:Only time I eq drums is for special fx, or on the drum buss. Even well chosen samples can start to mud out when shit gets crazy. Watch the area around 300hz, a 3 db dip might be in order.

But look dood, it's kind of silly asking for the kind of advice your asking for. It is clear that you're newb, no offense, but you're just going to have to learn how to do this using your ears. For most people this takes years and years. I'm halfway through my second decade bro, and tuns more to learn. This shit is hard, don't be fooled. But have to use your ears.

As you work, compare you mix with a released song (or songs) that is similar. That will be a very helpful guide. Good luck. Strap yourself in, it is a wild ride.
Thanks, you just told me straight, thats what i needed, props to ya

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Re: EQ Settings?

Post by nowaysj » Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:15 am

Sure thing brobro.

We are here, and when u have more specific questions, you should search. The search on here isn't so good, so search, and if nothing, ask. We (most) are here to help (and be helped).
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Re: EQ Settings?

Post by serox » Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:20 pm

soziblewuup wrote:I don't know if there's certain values used, but i suck at equalizing, defiantly my worst area.

I wandered if anyone could give me values to EQ my bassline and drums etc. at. I'm using m-class equalizer in reason.

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why do you suck at it? try picking/making sounds that fit in the frequency gap! if you get it right you should not need to do any/much EQing.
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Re: EQ Settings?

Post by stereotactic » Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:52 pm

I would imagine he sucks at it because he doesn't have that much experience with it... It's the same with everything, effective use takes practice to develop the necessary skills/ear.

Quite right though, not everything needs EQ-ing straight from the off, a habit I used to have was diving into EQ first thing once I had a sound I liked, almost on instinct. It's one of those things you hear a lot about i.e. boost snares at 200hz etc, but by taking such info on board it can sometimes lead to the 'right way/wrong way' mind set.

EQ is a very powerful tool, but there isn't a common or garden setting to get a desired result, it's all contextual based on the sound you are EQ-ing.

I dunno if this helps, but when I am EQ-ing something, I set a really high Q so the affected frequencies are needle like on the display (assuming of course you are using parametric), and then I make a significant boost and sweep the the entire frequency range. You can soon pick up what sounds good and what doesn't, and make boosts, cuts and alterations accordingly.

I'm not an expert by any means, but that's my two pennies worth. Also, echoing what legend4ry said, you can't work magic on a duff sample, or one that doesn't fit. Sometimes it is better just to bin the sample you are working with off if it isn't gelling with the rest of the track.

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