wirez wrote:kidlogic wrote:wirez wrote:kidlogic wrote:
Thats exactly the point in doing it though... don't do it expecting to come up with anything thats release-worthy, do it as an exercise to help learn what you yourself need to do to get songs finished. What Ive found with it is that it helps you focus on other aspects of the tune. Sure, the bass might not be the exact sound you want, and the lead could use a little work, maybe that drum pattern needs a little tweeking - but the tunes not gonna be heard by anyone but you, so thats not important. Its not even important that you like the tune - its important that you finish it.
My current average time to finish a tune is much longer than 3 hours... but Im finishing almost every song I start now.
Sounds like you could be wasting potential releases to me though
Thats a horrible way to look at it IMO... every tune just isnt a potential release. Theyre not. That cheapens music to me to think of them like that... songs are songs first, product second to me... I would be producing even if I knew that I never had a chance to release a tune ever, or that no one but me was ever going to hear it. That others even want to listen to or buy them is just an added bonus. If I ever thought I was wasting potential releases, I would seriously reconsider why I do this. (Not a shot at you, just how I feel about it).
Another way to look at it... Is an athlete who trains wasting chances at winning competitions by practicing? Dont quizes help you study, even if they dont count twards the final grade?
Sounds like you could be wasting potential releases to me though
Lol I never once implied that the tunes were worth making for the sake of releasing as such, it's just the way I perceived what you were saying, you're making tunes that you're not sharing with other people and therefor sacrificing music that could really be enjoyed by other people as well as yourself.
Obviously I do understand exactly the point you're coming from, I just don't think you should limit yourself to not sharing your music after 'rushing through' the creation process.
As for your examples, each of the competitors or students are aiming towards something that's going to be within a time limit such as an up-coming competition or event and a test, they'll have deadlines they need to study by. If you get into the habit of not making tracks to release, how are you going to know when the time to release comes? Most artists blow when they least expect it, so you need to keep up promoting your tracks even if you feel they're only 'practice', IMO anyway. Just an extra perspective to see it from.
Also, I'd just like to add that just because a track is released doesn't necessarily mean that it has to be a 'commercially viable' track. There's plenty of labels that specialise in the weird and wonderful sides of music too, if worst comes to the worst you could always try and release on a music-concrete album
I mean, the whole idea of music really is that if you're making something to enjoy yourself, then chances are that there will be an audience out there who also enjoy it!
(This is a great discussion, Im enjoying it
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Time spent making music is never wasted.
By your logic, if I wanted to learn an instrument, I should record every note from the very first I play and release it?
I should record every set I spin as a DJ and post it online, including the practice sessions where Im trying mixes and figuring things out?
I doubt every painter who picks up a brush wants to be the next Piccaso... some just want to work through some feelings and create, regardless if another human ever lays eyes on it - some would be horrified if anyone ever did, for various reasons. There is nothing wrong with that to me, they are still creating and still expressing themselves and that is always a good thing.
I agree that you never know what others are going to like of your work, but its your work. You decide what goes out, what people hear, what is up to your personal standards and what you want to show to the world. I would love to hear some of the thousands of tracks Skream supposedly has on his hard drive, but he has decided that they're not good enough and that we will never hear them for whatever reason, even though we may feel that they're amazing and fully deserve a release. Hell, look at the thread of unreleased dubs in the main forum...
Im not saying make it a habit to make tunes to not see a release, but sometimes you need to practice to make sure you're putting your best foot forward. The three hour thing is an excersise, that I was suggesting as a way for Echoi and others who have a problem finishing tunes as a way to help them in the way it helped me, not as something to do with all of your tunes or even a large portion of them. But if you're not finishing them anyway, how are they ever going to be released?
For the record, I have shared every one of the 'practice' tunes I made in the three hour period, it was part of a group project with a bunch of other producers to spur creativity, and it did wonders for mine.
Who said that a tune has to be released to be shared? Thats a very important distinction. Ill gladly share a tune I may not feel is up to release standards.
I make everything with the intention of sharing it, just not necessarily releasing it. I also make everything I make for myself, and it would be just as fulfilling, albeit in a different way, if no one else ever heard it.
