DAW for PCmost similar to Logic?

[Lichee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxHdXLuLuso

i've been watching his master-class and logic looks to have lots of things that FL studio doesn't and i really want to give it a go, however, the newer versions are mac only and i'm not changing my OS, so i was wondering which DAW's are most similar to Logic especially the sequencer and the way busses for a channel are down the left of the sequencer and easy to see. I understand getting Logic won't magically make me as good as Alix Perez but i'm getting bored of FL and want to try something new and different.

[marshy]

I've not used it, but this is the most similiar.

http://www.presonus.com/products/Softwa ... twareId=11

The general consensus will be Cubase though, because of how many people use it on here.

[DEMZ]

Yeah studio one and cubase are fairly similar

[muttleydubs]

Studio One is good, i've tried it and find it pretty easy to use, but i'm waiting til it's further in development to make the switch...had a few crashed here and there, cant be dealing with crashes!

[futures_untold]

Reaper could be skinned to look like Logic.

And the audio editing is fast.

[freakah]

Reaper could be skinned to look like Logic.

And the audio editing is fast.

And it's dirt cheap compared to everything else, unless you're on linux!

Seriously, check it out!

[Lichee]

I've not used it, but this is the most similiar.

http://www.presonus.com/products/Softwa ... twareId=11

The general consensus will be Cubase though, because of how many people use it on here.

Presonus does look really similar, i will definitely check that out. I wish they just made Logic for PC though. FL 9 has some good improvements but I still keep thinking it's a really dark program, if i work on it for a while i start feeling groggy, it's literally grey and black lol.

[Basic A]

Reaper could be skinned to look like Logic.

And the audio editing is fast.

And it's dirt cheap compared to everything else, unless you're on linux!

Seriously, check it out!

Oh dude, as hardcore as I am too defend the Operating System itsself, trust me, aside from our soundcard drivers (JACK ftfw), nothin we use for audio over here is any cheaper then your stuff! We still pay for FL...

Unfortunately, the linux world made leaps and bounds with WINE for windows apps and JACK for turning your entire pc into somehtin kinda like reason... But, LMMS are and Ardour both epic fails, so, Im still holding out for a decent linux daw, and until then, I run FL in wine.

Honestly though, side from in channel bussing, what did I miss about logic that FL doesnt have? Im thinking about buying a Mac just too get some experience with it, if I do, its gonna be logic ftw.

[abZ]

Someone told me they announced at namm that Logic was going to be ported back to the PC with the next version. I have not read this anywhere tho. There is always Hackentosh.

[DZA]

Logic 5.5

[regend]

i still keep a PC running Logic 5.5, my next choice would be Reaper because it's great for on the spot recording of live events when you need something to load fast. Reaper is actually my main PC DAW right now with Ableton as my tool for composition. On my Mac it's Ableton for composition and Logic for mixing down.

[zonetrooper5]

I would suggest Ableton Live, great interface and its powerful, then again most DAW's do the same thing so download the demos and find the one that suits you the most.

[trench]

Check out Reaper, you wont be sorry. It's got great work flow, the sound is tit's, and it's got some cool features. Just a few:

- All tracks can be used for midi or audio (you don't have to load a midi track for midi or an audio track for audio).
- You can add effects to a folder track which effect all tracks within the folder and you can minimize it to save space (unlike cubase were you have make a group track, rout all the tracks to the group track, then place all the track in a folder track).
- You can right click a midi track and make a selection that will bounce down the midi to audio, place it in a new track, and mute the old midi track. All in one click.
- It has an instrument that will create a midi track from an audio track. It reads the pitch\note changes somehow and creates midi notes in a new midi track bases on the analysis.
- You can run vst's in different modes, one of which will eliminate Reaper from crashing if the vst crashes. VERY HANDY
- You can skin the program to look like other DAW's, or you can change all the colors yourself.

just a few features of the top of my head that I've enjoyed

[boot]

Awesome, I've never given Reaper a go, might have a squiz for shits and giggles when I've got some free time for that kind of thing (which means probably never)

[alphacat]

Reaper +1.

I always say this shit, but it changed my music for the better (in addition to all the other wonderful reasons cited here.) In my brutally honest opinion, the only weak spot is parameter automation and that just takes a while to get the hang of: it's in development though and new versions come out like every other week, so it's probably just a matter of time before that gets sorted too.

Oh yes, and the price is right. Make sure to send 'em $ if you do wind up liking & using it.

[futures_untold]

Check out Reaper, you wont be sorry. It's got a great work flow.

This.

It really is the closest you can get to Logic on a PC

It has an instrument that will create a midi track from an audio track. It reads the pitch\note changes somehow and creates midi notes in a new midi track bases on the analysis.

What's this? (sounds good)

[freakah]

Reaper could be skinned to look like Logic.

And the audio editing is fast.

And it's dirt cheap compared to everything else, unless you're on linux!

Seriously, check it out!

Oh dude, as hardcore as I am too defend the Operating System itsself, trust me, aside from our soundcard drivers (JACK ftfw), nothin we use for audio over here is any cheaper then your stuff! We still pay for FL...

Unfortunately, the linux world made leaps and bounds with WINE for windows apps and JACK for turning your entire pc into somehtin kinda like reason... But, LMMS are and Ardour both epic fails, so, Im still holding out for a decent linux daw, and until then, I run FL in wine.

No no, don't get me wrong, I love linux!

I haven't checked out the DAW's personally, only heard good things about them, so I jumped to conclusions haha. Shame to hear they suck though

However, this does validate my point - if you're serious about music creating, Reaper is still dirt cheap - and the way to go! Amazing workflow, never crashes, speedy, customisable, skinnable, peronal macro's - best DAW EVER!!

[Basic A]

Reaper could be skinned to look like Logic.

And the audio editing is fast.

And it's dirt cheap compared to everything else, unless you're on linux!

Seriously, check it out!

Oh dude, as hardcore as I am too defend the Operating System itsself, trust me, aside from our soundcard drivers (JACK ftfw), nothin we use for audio over here is any cheaper then your stuff! We still pay for FL...

Unfortunately, the linux world made leaps and bounds with WINE for windows apps and JACK for turning your entire pc into somehtin kinda like reason... But, LMMS are and Ardour both epic fails, so, Im still holding out for a decent linux daw, and until then, I run FL in wine.

No no, don't get me wrong, I love linux!

I haven't checked out the DAW's personally, only heard good things about them, so I jumped to conclusions haha. Shame to hear they suck though

However, this does validate my point - if you're serious about music creating, Reaper is still dirt cheap - and the way to go! Amazing workflow, never crashes, speedy, customisable, skinnable, peronal macro's - best DAW EVER!!

Nah, this valdates my point, FL is kingpin and renoize is its primary henchman. Compatible in emulators and natively, ultraflexible, smooth workflow on both... And FL IS pretty analogue to the rest of the DAWs on the market, its great for establishing a knowledge of the production process which can be applied on other DAWs.

[Lichee]

Reaper could be skinned to look like Logic.

And the audio editing is fast.

And it's dirt cheap compared to everything else, unless you're on linux!

Seriously, check it out!

Oh dude, as hardcore as I am too defend the Operating System itsself, trust me, aside from our soundcard drivers (JACK ftfw), nothin we use for audio over here is any cheaper then your stuff! We still pay for FL...

Unfortunately, the linux world made leaps and bounds with WINE for windows apps and JACK for turning your entire pc into somehtin kinda like reason... But, LMMS are and Ardour both epic fails, so, Im still holding out for a decent linux daw, and until then, I run FL in wine.

No no, don't get me wrong, I love linux!

I haven't checked out the DAW's personally, only heard good things about them, so I jumped to conclusions haha. Shame to hear they suck though

However, this does validate my point - if you're serious about music creating, Reaper is still dirt cheap - and the way to go! Amazing workflow, never crashes, speedy, customisable, skinnable, peronal macro's - best DAW EVER!!

Nah, this valdates my point, FL is kingpin and renoize is its primary henchman. Compatible in emulators and natively, ultraflexible, smooth workflow on both... And FL IS pretty analogue to the rest of the DAWs on the market, its great for establishing a knowledge of the production process which can be applied on other DAWs.

thats the thing, i know fl pretty much inside out and just want something that is harder to use but once i learn it becomes better.

[futures_untold]

thats the thing, i know fl pretty much inside out and just want something that is harder to use but once i learn it becomes better.

In my experience of using Reaper and FL Studio 9, Reaper is easier to use than FL. Once you learn it inside out, you will kick yourself for ever using another program...

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Reaper allows for complex routing, meaning you can do things like create an FX sends bus, use plugins with multiple outputs, sidechain, create buses for mix groups and create surround sound mixes etc.

Reaper is extremely customisable, meaning that once you figure out your prefered workflow methods, you can map keyboard shortcuts, toolbar buttons and menu items to your method of working. This makes using Reaper fast; you don't need to switch between various tools to achieve simple things (like FL).

Reaper's mix bus is processed at 64bits internally, even using the 32bit version. This means the sound quality is impeccably accurate.

Reaper uses the traditional left to right workflow that many other sequencers use. If you can use Reaper, you will be able to use Cubase, Logic, Pro Tools etc etc. The only problem is, once you become accustomed to using one mixer track to achieve all your goals, using different types of track to recieve audio or midi, and to create mix bus groups etc becomes an onerous chore. The same is also true of returning to a program that requires tool changes to do simple things like select loops, move sequencer items, draw midi data, slice audio, zoom etc etc....

If you insist on having Logic without buying a Mac, you can create a Logic theme for Reaper meaning Reaper will look like Logic. There are already themes that make Reaper look like Cubase, Ableton Live, FL Studio, Studio One, Adobe Audition/Cool Edit, Energy XT and Mackie Tracktion. This means that if you are switching from one of those programs, you can continue using the visual cues (icons) you learned using the other program.

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I used Reason as my main tool for almost eight years. I got pissed off by the long work arounds I needed to perform in order to achieve simple things like reversing audio samples in drum kits and chopping up audio.

I've customised the floating Reaper toolbars (which can be called directly to your mouse cursor at the press of a button) so I can perform many audio editing operations with one click.

Some examples of the things I can now do in one click:

-Reverse a sample.
-Slice an entire drum loop.
-Slice any audio or midi into two parts (at the play cursor). (I simply click at the point I want to slice and press 'S' to slice.)
-Glue two separate parts into one.
-Repitch a sample by one semi tone or octave.
-Normalise a sample.
-Bounce midi to audio.
-Bounce VST effects to audio.
-Create an FX bus for multiple tracks.
-Zoom a selection of audio or midi to fill the entire screen like a sample editing program.
-Explode any number of sequencer items (or rex slices) across multiple newly created tracks for detailed effects processing.
-Implode items from across multiple tracks onto one track.

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'So what?' I hear you ask...

Well, I can load a VST synth onto a channel (without having to assign a midi track like Cubase), record or draw in a midi sequence, select part of the sequence and bounce it to audio for further processing (like timestretching or reversal), all within a few clicks.

Reaper saves me time when I have an idea in my head and I want to get it down in the sequencer quickly (before I forget the idea). I've even ditched Adobe Audition as my sample editing program because I can do all my sample editing and batch sample processing directly in Reaper.

In fact, Reaper is so good my sex life has improved as a result of using it (I'm lying haha).

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Anyway, download it from here ---> http://www.reaper.fm/download.php
Install the SWS extensions for added flexibilty when you decide to customise the program to your working style ---> http://www.standingwaterstudios.com/
Follow my tips on using and customising Reaper here ---> http://www.dubstepforum.com/topic91084.html

Save up all of $60 when you can and purchase it. (You can use Reaper in the unlimited 'evaluation/demo mode' for years. I used Reaper for two years before buying it ).