what do you think of this?

[thierry_le_dj]

ok i have a few mate's that would never upload an unsigned track to there myspace or scloud for reason's like other people can ripped it and other stuff like that..

and i've also recently heard some labels don't like to take track's that all ready has been exposure on a myspace or scloud..even if the track is not download able but some one else could of ripped and used it as there own track's...

so do you think its ok to upload unsigned track's to your myspace or soundcloud or anything else you put your music on for exposure?

[Sinisterbeats]

so do you think its ok to upload unsigned track's to your myspace or soundcloud or anything else you put your music on for exposure?

I think if you've put your tune out there and are getting positive responses to your tunes that cant be a bad thing. It can be especially useful people starting producing as you can learn a lot from constructive criticism. I don't worry about the labels anyway because I just enjoy making music. If someone wanted to sign me then great but I will continue to make music whether I'm signed or not.

[thierry_le_dj]

but my main point if you upload an unsigned track and you don't make it download able and someone has a way of ripping it...
what do you do then?

[DEMZ]

If your really concerned about it just make clips of like three minutes of the track (intro and first drop) or put shitty little computer speak like skream does on his souncloud, "this is a skream production"

In all honesty I wouldn't worry about it, I dont think many people would go to the effort of stealing your track unless your were fairly bigtime

[kidlogic]

Let em. If someone wants it that bad it means you're doing something right.

Personally, I dont see anything wrong with it since as long as its not downloadable its nothing but exposure to potential paying customers. I dont quite get the reasoning behind not wanting to sign a tune thats been posted somewhere as long as its not downloadable, or even if it has been available for free for a short time. If the tune is gonna sell, a few downloads isnt gonna hurt sales all that much, if anything its probably gonna help in the long run. Exposure is good.

Pirates and others who may rip would only have access to a low qual version if they rip it from a stream, and a good DJ wont play anything that low qual. A DJ who would probably isnt playing anywhere big, and will probably download it illegally after its released anyway.

On this topic, I cant understand why someone would run the risk of playing something thats unreleased or ripped... if you're found out, you're probably gonna get put on blast on here and other forums and lose so much respect you'd have to change your name to get a respectable gig again.

[Depone]

If your really concerned about it just make clips of like three minutes of the track (intro and first drop) or put shitty little computer speak like skream does on his souncloud, "this is a skream production"

In all honesty I wouldn't worry about it, I dont think many people would go to the effort of stealing your track unless your were fairly bigtime

Yeah i always make 'preview clips' for soundcloud and myspace. To be honest your friends sound like they are trying to be bigtime without actually being it.

[thierry_le_dj]

hey thanks for the advice!
yea was just thinking about future track's.
thats all.

[thierry_le_dj]

If your really concerned about it just make clips of like three minutes of the track (intro and first drop) or put shitty little computer speak like skream does on his souncloud, "this is a skream production"

In all honesty I wouldn't worry about it, I dont think many people would go to the effort of stealing your track unless your were fairly bigtime

Yeah i always make 'preview clips' for soundcloud and myspace. To be honest your friends sound like they are trying to be bigtime without actually being it.

ok thanks!
yea my mate write industrial techno not dubstep sorry..

[serox]

ok i have a few mate's that would never upload an unsigned track to there myspace or scloud for reason's like other people can ripped it and other stuff like that..

and i've also recently heard some labels don't like to take track's that all ready has been exposure on a myspace or scloud..even if the track is not download able but some one else could of ripped and used it as there own track's...

so do you think its ok to upload unsigned track's to your myspace or soundcloud or anything else you put your music on for exposure?

I was told by a producer who plays at DMZ that unsigned tracks on myspace are not cool. He said it looks amateurish and desperate lol. I have never put anything back on myspace but who knows if he is right or not.

Myspace is total noob area now days and full of spam. Serious artists dont seem to login or use it anymore.

[midnightminustwo]

ok i have a few mate's that would never upload an unsigned track to there myspace or scloud for reason's like other people can ripped it and other stuff like that..

are they famous? if not, people won't. and if they do, it will be very few.

and i've also recently heard some labels don't like to take track's that all ready has been exposure on a myspace or scloud..even if the track is not download able but some one else could of ripped and used it as there own track's...

as a label, that sounds like bolocks to me. yes, if the artist has iven away 200 copies, it might put you off, as there's 200 people not buying it, but for preview/streaming, nah.

so do you think its ok to upload unsigned track's to your myspace or soundcloud or anything else you put your music on for exposure?

40,000,000 people still use myspace yeah? don't know about soundcloud but it's better for a label than myspaz. yes, promote your music, don't be too precious about it, as people generally won't rip your stuff if it's unsigned.

[stappard]

ok i have a few mate's that would never upload an unsigned track to there myspace or scloud for reason's like other people can ripped it and other stuff like that..

and i've also recently heard some labels don't like to take track's that all ready has been exposure on a myspace or scloud..even if the track is not download able but some one else could of ripped and used it as there own track's...

so do you think its ok to upload unsigned track's to your myspace or soundcloud or anything else you put your music on for exposure?

I was told by a producer who plays at DMZ that unsigned tracks on myspace are not cool. He said it looks amateurish and desperate lol. I have never put anything back on myspace but who knows if he is right or not.

Myspace is total noob area now days and full of spam. Serious artists dont seem to login or use it anymore.

Interesting. I can see how that would be the case but guys like Zomby and Skream upload unsigned bits to Myspace/soundcloud all the time. Different strokes I guess.

[serox]

Interesting. I can see how that would be the case but guys like Zomby and Skream upload unsigned bits to Myspace/soundcloud all the time. Different strokes I guess.

They are established and have 1k visitors a day on their profiles lol.

Decent labels and artists dont browse random/new artists on myspace imo.

[stappard]

Interesting. I can see how that would be the case but guys like Zomby and Skream upload unsigned bits to Myspace/soundcloud all the time. Different strokes I guess.

They are established and have 1k visitors a day on their profiles lol.

Decent labels and artists dont browse random/new artists on myspace imo.

Then in that case there's no harm putting some stuff up for everyone else to listen to

[Sharmaji]

forget about myspace as a social network and use it as a 1-stop electronic press kit-- that's all anyone wants from it any more. No one cares who's in your top friends or what comments are written on your page (in fact, disable commments-- it makes it load faster).

the good thing about myspace is that, horrible as its standard layout may be, everyone who goes there knows what info they're getting.

If you actually get traffic to your page, or would like more-- clean it up. STS9 has a fantastic one.

i haven't put up any full songs on mypsace in a few years-- pirating is a lot (damn russian websites), and yeah-- it really doesn't work that well as a place to get material 'signed.' If you do put up unsigned material, i'd make 90 second previews of 'em. Putting up clips signed material w/ relevant release info is very good.

[wirez]

This thread makes me sour
If a label refuses to sign my track because it's already being promoted then fuck them! To me it's only like a web version of radio play, but more accessible. The way I'm seeing the top sellers operate at the moment is by promoting their tracks via their social networks a lot earlier than releasing so that people get a taste for the tracks anyway, I think people are less likely to purchase tracks if they haven't had sufficient time to sink in and become 'loved' as opposed to 'nice track dude'.

[Basic A]

Its a good promo outlet, mad links, god only knows where youll end up, I find myself on people I dont knows top friends n shit occasionally, so, fuck it, its doing SOMETHING... anything Im ever serious on I hold back a drop and only upload 128s too begin with so I know none of its worth a shit too djs anyway, if its really all that Id rather listeners just ask me for a 320 so I can put em on my free tack mail list, but, eh, like they said above, if they wanna steal it, rock on. Having a bunch of respectable comments on a respectable, non cluttered myspace DOES look good on you, idc, and anyone who says you wont find new artists, fuck you too, cuz I found marshy on myspace when he had shit for plays n hit him up right there for copies of his shit, and Ive played em out and dropped his name many a time... Listened to whyrez for a grip before I started chattin with him on here... thats good promo when your a new/lesser known artist, and just cuz your too lazy too stop and appreciate all the gems in the shit, dont assume everyone else is too lazy too. I pick through new artists constantly, its a sure way too have tunes others dont. if your new, you want people aksin for 320s, they wont pirate em if your obviously new and in promo stage and just handin out some bits here n there... doesnt look unprofessional too promote yourself that way either, you just cant sign what youve handed out.

[studio dread]

I think you can be too protective over your tunes as well as being too loose with them. Spamming people makes you look like a desperate nob but too far the other way and no one will ever hear them. If you think back to when you started producing I'm sure you would love someone to go to the effort to download a tune of yours. In the scheme of things it really doesn't affect you if some randomer out there is enjoying your music for free!

[LFpHUNK]

this might be obvious to y'all, but if a label doesn't pick up your tune based on the thread topic (it being posted on a social network) your tune, simply, isn't worth it.

i mean, listen, if a tune of yours that you posted on ur myspaz or soundcloud was pirated then there are two outcomes (my hypotheticals are based on the fact that you're a no-name bedroom producer):

1) the tune is only pirated by a few people. these people belong in the very miniscule minority. a fraction percentage point of the market place. ok, they might share it, and some of there friends might download it, but if it's just a so-so tune then it will just be another one of a jizz-illion tunes in someones itunes library, eventually getting less and less plays.

ok but if your track is amazing, and your track spreads like HIV did when it first hit the scene (im just assuming it [HIV] spread like wildfire (and no offense to anyone with HIV...)) , then wow, that is one hella of an opportunity to be had by any label. unless im mistaken, i might be cause i dont know econmoics, you have to be able to capitalize on that shit somehow. it's like facebook. some stanford kid made it in his dorm room and after several years it spread like crazy, and heeeey guess what, he sold that shit for millions (i dont want this example/argument to get tooo into detail or nitpicky about facebook, it's simplified to illustrate my point).

2) ok so some douche fuck tries to copy you. well, if you're some no name, chances are they wont since anybody that has a combination of a) skill (required to copy) and b)popularity and fame (required to expose), i doubt is combing through piles of shit tracks. maybe they are.. i dont know. but really, i thnk if your shit is truley gangsta and original you got nothing to fear. no one will be able to steal your sound if you got game play-bwah. the only way an original sound can really be imitated is if many many many people are trying to imitate all at once (i.e. like deadmau5), then eventually, after an-accidental-collaborative-scene-effort will the sound be somthing that all the normal people can create, thus making the sound less and less valuable. (ok this that last sentence is rather random and requires more support but that is beyond the scope of this thread. lol.) lol.

ok so...yea.....

lol.

PCE NIG GAZ




lol.

[christthetiger]

If you do put up unsigned material, i'd make 90 second previews of 'em. Putting up clips signed material w/ relevant release info is very good.

[kidlogic]

you just cant sign what youve handed out.

Why? I mean, so long as you havent handed it out by making the link available publicly, whats the harm in a handful of people having it? Isnt a quality label going to hand out some promos of it anyway to help publicize it?

As long as you only give it to people you trust and keep the link exclusive, I dont see any reason why that tune couldnt be signed even months after you started handing out 320s to people.

I have been struggling to understand why people are so against it, so Id like to hear the reasoning behind that thinking.