Health Care Reform

collige · Post by **collige** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:30 am

has finally happened. Discuss.

elibomyekip · Post by **elibomyekip** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:32 am

Albeit incredibly cut down. Step in the right direction though.

spire · Post by **spire** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:44 am

nice thought, health care. bad idea. ill be extremely surprised if this dosnt screw up MANY things.

particle-jim · Post by **particle-jim** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:33 am

spire wrote:nice thought, health care. bad idea. ill be extremely surprised if this dosnt screw up MANY things.

coz your healthcare system isn't fucked already

social healthcare is the one, if people tried to get rid of the NHS there would be fucking riots!

magma · Post by **magma** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:00 am

Welcome to the Post-WW2 world.

We look after each other now.

herbalicious · Post by **herbalicious** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:09 am

magma wrote:Welcome to the Post-WW2 world.

We look after each other now.

gwa · Post by **gwa** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:10 am

iirc doesn't this still fuck people over badly if they can't afford it?

symmetricalsounds · Post by **symmetricalsounds** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:12 am

particle-jim wrote:
spire wrote:nice thought, health care. bad idea. ill be extremely surprised if this dosnt screw up MANY things.
coz your healthcare system isn't fucked already
social healthcare is the one, if people tried to get rid of the NHS there would be fucking riots!

when the conservatives get in i can see the NHS becoming a privatised system but back-door privatisation so they'll keep the name but fuck us every other way.

herbalicious · Post by **herbalicious** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:43 am

symmetricalsounds wrote:
particle-jim wrote:
spire wrote:nice thought, health care. bad idea. ill be extremely surprised if this dosnt screw up MANY things.
coz your healthcare system isn't fucked already
social healthcare is the one, if people tried to get rid of the NHS there would be fucking riots!

when the conservatives get in i can see the NHS becoming a privatised system but back-door privatisation so they'll keep the name but fuck us every other way.

I don't think even the tories are THAT stupid?

symmetricalsounds · Post by **symmetricalsounds** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:57 am

they put the starting bits of it in place last time they were in power, they have systematically privatised everything possible what makes you think they see nhs as any different?

Pedro Sánchez · Post by **Pedro Sánchez** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:11 pm

Why would you not want you're tax to help someone who can not fund health care themselves. That is the problem with capitalist states, it embeds this everyman for them-self mentality into people, that someone who cannot afford something isn't working hard enough when it's bullshit.

The whole point of "society" is to help one another so it becomes of benefit to your own well-being.

d'brickashaw ferguson · Post by **d'brickashaw ferguson** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:12 pm

I'll think you'll find David Cameron is a big proponent of the NHS.

herbalicious · Post by **herbalicious** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:32 pm

d'brickashaw ferguson wrote:I'll think you'll find David Cameron is a big proponent of the NHS.

If we lose the NHS...that's it. I dunno what I'll do...but it won't be good.

selrahc · Post by **selrahc** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:21 pm

Pedro Sánchez wrote:Why would you not want you're tax to help someone who can not fund health care themselves. That is the problem with capitalist states, it embeds this everyman for them-self mentality into people, that someone who cannot afford something isn't working hard enough when it's bullshit.

The whole point of "society" is to help one another so it becomes of benefit to your own well-being.

there's plenty of capitalist countries in europe who have socialised, free-at-the-point-of-use healthcare for everybody. the us healthcare debate is nothing to do with capitalism.

helix · Post by **helix** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:37 pm

Great concept, shit-terrible implementation.

-dubson- · Post by **-dubson-** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:15 pm

By no means a expert on this but even if its not totally correct yet it still means that America is moving IN THE RIGHT GOD-DAMN WAY. Obama has lived up to the hype getting any sort of result with this imo.

alfie · Post by **alfie** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:25 pm

the 'modern' tories haven't got the nuts to threaten the nhs, they'll know they'd be finished if they did. they might squeeze it a bit though

anyone who supports the old us system is a crackpot- their government spent more per person than the uk government did and we have universal coverage!

uncle bill · Post by **uncle bill** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:32 pm

alfie wrote:the 'modern' tories haven't got the nuts to threaten the nhs, they'll know they'd be finished if they did. they might squeeze it a bit though

The question is whether they’ll be prepared to keep increasing funding - the rising cost of treatment is a one way street. The Tories didn’t actually cut spending on the NHS once during the 80s but waiting lists went through the roof because they didn’t make it a priority. The NHS is really expensive, although worth every penny.

firky · Post by **firky** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:44 pm

symmetricalsounds wrote:
particle-jim wrote:
spire wrote:nice thought, health care. bad idea. ill be extremely surprised if this dosnt screw up MANY things.
coz your healthcare system isn't fucked already
social healthcare is the one, if people tried to get rid of the NHS there would be fucking riots!

when the conservatives get in i can see the NHS becoming a privatised system but back-door privatisation so they'll keep the name but fuck us every other way.

It's already happened and new labour took it further than the tories ever did:

See here:

http://libcom.org/news/article.php/nhs- ... sis-022006

here:

http://www.libdems.org.uk/news_detail.a ... c9c2aeba6c

Here:

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=10070

Here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1991037.stm

firky · Post by **firky** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:46 pm

Has anyone seen some of the American news reports about the NHS in America? They're hilarious.

NHS IS A BURDEN AND ALL THE DOCTORS ARE SHIT AND YOU WILL DIE IN A&E!!!!

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