Vinyl VS CDJ's

[kingthing]

For the record I have to boost the gains and the EQ to twice that of the vinyl when i record. Take the data and run with it. Peace out !

Well the answer to that is quite simple compadrè - stop using illegally downloaded/ripped digital files, 'cos thats the only reason why you'd be having that problem.

If you were using a wav or a 320, that problem wouldn't exist. If you are using 320's/wavs and still claim to be having that problem, then, as i suspect, you are talking shite.

You also said before

For me, I've never ever made an Mp3 mix that even comes close to the vinyl mixes. So you choose. I have.

Simple answer to this one mate - learn how to mix, and select better tunes. If you're using legally downloaded digital files, then there wont be an audible difference, and i can only assume from this statement (judging by the one above) that you are referring to the levels of the mix - in which case the only conclusion i can come to is that you rip all your digital files off youtube/torrents. Or you can't mix. Either way, you fail.

I'd say at least, at LEAST 50% of your favourite mixes that you've heard over the last year will have been digital only. At the very least. Take the data and, erm, run with it.

Love the music, not the material.

[wooda916]

Yeh, I did just challenge you to a battle, just like they used to do in the old days and just like they still do it today.

Yeah it's called turntablism.... you wanna bump your dick against some other dudes for tunrtablism superiority have at it

http://www.dmcdjchamps.com

I'm a dubstep dj, not a turntablist

Battles aint the same as turntabalism.

Its called a soundclash and is hugley prevalent in dub culture.

heres a recent example involving DMZ...



Why does every debate on this forum always turn into some kind of personal slanging match. Stop being stnuc and bringing aggy vibez.

[pkay]

Yeh, I did just challenge you to a battle, just like they used to do in the old days and just like they still do it today.

Yeah it's called turntablism.... you wanna bump your dick against some other dudes for tunrtablism superiority have at it

http://www.dmcdjchamps.com

I'm a dubstep dj, not a turntablist

Battles aint the same as turntabalism.

Its called a soundclash and is hugley prevalent in dub culture.

heres a recent example involving DMZ...



Why does every debate on this forum always turn into some kind of personal slanging match. Stop being stnuc and bringing aggy vibez.

wow dude I've never heard of a soundclash, or dmz, or metalheadz. Thanks for enlightening me to these brand new musical ventures. Those aren't 'battles' as far as I'm concerned. Those are crews purposely booking together for the sake of a good show for the artists and fans alike.

If you read the dudes entire thread its pretty obvious he was trying to take the macho dj route.

[wooda916]

edit: fuck it im not getting drawn into this shit.

This forum has seriously gone downhill recently

[pkay]

Sorry my posting quality isn't up to par. I'll try harder next time this topic comes up in 3 days

[fractal]

So to reitterate, playing cd's makes you look like a twat, but everyones doing it and it's 2010 so there's no "mysticisim" in cutting dubs anymore... (please don't tell mala). The reason there's more mp3's of midrange then vinyl is becaus it's a disposable genre, with the same idea being replicated over and over again... Who in their right mind would pay good money to have one of these cheesy tunes immortalized in wax? I sure wouldn't

Cool story, bro

[pkay]

So to reitterate, playing cd's makes you look like a twat, but everyones doing it and it's 2010 so there's no "mysticisim" in cutting dubs anymore... (please don't tell mala). The reason there's more mp3's of midrange then vinyl is becaus it's a disposable genre, with the same idea being replicated over and over again... Who in their right mind would pay good money to have one of these cheesy tunes immortalized in wax? I sure wouldn't

Cool story, bro

3/10

[fractal]

Wasn't going for a high score on that one, silly boy

Lol

[deadly_habit]

Doesnt Vinyl sound better tho? ive read that with CDJ's the lo end sounds dont sound as full and the highs sound too high and tbh i agree, and also is it not better for the audience to see the DJ actually doing something physically that the crowd can interact with, rather than just pushing buttons on a square box

it depends on if both have been mastered properly
mastering for vinyl and using that as a digital master and they will sound different on the 2 formats because vinyl has restrictions on what can be cut and frequencies that will get rolled off
digital not so much, but if you clip in digital it's way more noticeable where as on tape or vinyl it rolls it off or gives it a saturated compression type effect
a properly mastered digital master can sound just like vinyl if the ME is good

[clairvoyeur]

can someone explain why vinyl for electronic music would sound better than wavs? i mean, unless you're using all analog instruments isn't it going to be compressed anyway?

[deadly_habit]

can someone explain why vinyl for electronic music would sound better than wavs? i mean, unless you're using all analog instruments isn't it going to be compressed anyway?

well any analog medium will sound better even when coming from digital masters
http://www.piratespress.com/pdfs/SPECSnew.pdf
quick overview which is not 100% true to specs but most part for 5 secs on google
i mean if you have an older tape recorder pop in a new tape and crank gain on say a digital file into it recording and play back
then clip the digital file by same amount of dbs and should be clear

[EBR]

So to reitterate, playing cd's makes you look like a twat, but everyones doing it and it's 2010 so there's no "mysticisim" in cutting dubs anymore... (please don't tell mala). The reason there's more mp3's of midrange then vinyl is becaus it's a disposable genre, with the same idea being replicated over and over again... Who in their right mind would pay good money to have one of these cheesy tunes immortalized in wax? I sure wouldn't

Cool story, bro

8/ 10

<laff hey its all good i'm clownin for the most part. 4

the record, I don't play illegally downloaded Mp3s in my mixes. Out of 25 mixes over the past year, 1 of mine was all digital and it was all 320 kbps or wav mp3 so wutever yOU say pal. I know how to mix. years and years on loads of different sound systems, studios and events tells me how to mix. I have loads of CDs too and can't be arsed to bother with them because there's 15 crates of wax on deck ya dig. A good world class release from someone like Kromestar that sees distro of 3,000 copies world wide is gonna be mastered better than some 320 kbps, from some kids basement ala beatport.

But thats just me, here and now. You are you and i'm sure your CD rig is rubbing you the right way ? To each his own, good on ya for doing what you do. So off to the races mate and good luck, hope you make it safe where ever it takes you and anyone else that reads this. Safe !

[BastionMusic]

I've DJ'd 15 years, more parties than I can count, and like I said if you think you're cooler because you dropped the cash to cut a dub then you are a whack dj. You can't buy your way to being a good DJ and anyone who thinks you're cooler because your dubplate has 2 holes in it versus a dj whose vinyl has 1 hole in it doesn't know much about djing

Even when it comes to big name DJ's, the only ones who are really cutting dubs in heavy heavy quantity are ones who work or have a close mate who works with access to a cut. It's 2010...the whole mysticism and elitism of dubplates has long since passed.

pretty much sums it up!

[spire]

More MP3 tunes = more tunes on cdj's. Paying $30 to have a dub cut is just hard to rationalize when a CD costs 12 cents.

id like to know where i can get a dub cut for $30. thats a bargain. id be all over that.

[EBR]

wow dude I've never heard of a soundclash, or dmz, or metalheadz. Thanks for enlightening me to these brand new musical ventures. Those aren't 'battles' as far as I'm concerned. Those are crews purposely booking together for the sake of a good show for the artists and fans alike.

If you read the dudes entire thread its pretty obvious he was trying to take the macho dj route.

Ok Rookie. I could run circles around you in a heartbeat. I've been playing Metalheadz in clubs for a decade. The battle is about the show. I ain't trying to be macho on the forum you twit. You ain't even heard of Metalheadz and you want to say you know better than me ? Fool Shut the F*ck Up, listen and learn. I'm not going to take you down a f)ckin bad road seen. You are obviously a newbie rookie who don't know shit so pipe down and have a listen before you spout off on sh*t you don't have a clue. peace.

[clairvoyeur]

do you have any idea how ridiculous you guys look trying to one up each other on the internet?

[EBR]

do you have any idea how ridiculous you guys look trying to one up each other on the internet?

Its a discussion you moron. shut the f*ck up or give us your opinion on the subject. And i could give a f*ck if i look rediculous to you on the internet so go f*ck yourself.

[EBR]

More MP3 tunes = more tunes on cdj's. Paying $30 to have a dub cut is just hard to rationalize when a CD costs 12 cents.

id like to know where i can get a dub cut for $30. thats a bargain. id be all over that.

yah i was thinking the same thing, maybe a one sided 10"

[clairvoyeur]

do you have any idea how ridiculous you guys look trying to one up each other on the internet?

Its a discussion you moron. shut the f*ck up or give us your opinion on the subject. And i could give a f*ck if i look rediculous to you on the internet so go f*ck yourself.

You might have noticed I gave my opinion at the beginning of the thread, but I have a new opinion now and it's that you're a real asshole. I came on this forum to share my love of music with other like-minded people and argumentative, deprecating pricks like you contribute nothing but negativity.

[the wiggle baron]

Like, a few sound quality issues aside (that im sure are just going to get less and less, if not completely gone with new techno wizardry in the near future...) cds are clearly an easier to use, cheaper, lighter etc. format. However, if you have a passion for vinyl you dont give a crap about having to lug around your 20kg box of wax everywhere, if you dont youre going to see cdjs for what they are...more practical!

I dont care about the format anyone else is using, but im not going to be stopping using vinyl any time soon! Ive got a cdj for tunes I cant get on vinyl/unreleased bits etc. And ill happily use that when I need to. But knock on the door + square flat package = maaaassive grin