What the fuk is going on with jumpup?

[kion]

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[rob sparx]

Check out my new tune "dope fiend" its on my page:

http://www.myspace.com/sparx3000

You know what they say if you can't beat them join them! Doubt ill ever play this one out but ive been very close to pissing myself writing it has been theraputic indeed

yet your Banoffee Pie track is serious?

Tune did start off as a joke but I ended up liking it enough to play out regularly, some ppl will be able to hear the differences between that and what im calling out some will think it all sounds the same

I do the odd pisstake tune but unlike some producers its only a small fraction of my total output and is just for fun which is why I don't feel too much of a hypocrite having a rant. Was a bit of a windup though, I knew if I didn't say something about the scene being killed no-one would have noticed this thread! Apologies to anyone ive slated but I'll quite happily welcome any of you to a DJ battle on a 70k rig in a decent sized club in Bham to see who can rock a crowd the most rather than who can get the most utube hits. Anyone whos not scared of getting shown up hit me up on myspaz!

I ain't on typing a long one, and certainly not a calling out names and making it personal. But seeing as you already showed that amount of respect, I thought it's only fair someone with first hand knowledge step in here.

Whether you like to par yourself (and the people who buy your tunes) off by making 'piss take' tunes or just outright shit talking about you not flooding the market with mediocre brostep all last year... it's bless! Because we all know the truth and it reeks of jealousy. I'm not a big man in the game, by any means. But I played a set before you in Manchester a few months back and laid down pure vibes, got the dancefloor bubbling without resorting to playing the brostep you play. Girls winding on the dancefloor etc etc. You come on and play pure brostep, cheesy growly basslines and the most boring beats I heard. Girls dissapear from the dancefloor, loads of sweaty 17 year olds with thier tops of moshing at the front. Sure you got them moshing and that's your target audience, you nailed it, props. But don't for a second think you got to doing that by playing anything less than the cheese brostep you're whinging abut here.

Let's just keep things in perspective.

Given that some of these guys have build entire careers off the attention from hate directed at them I'm not going to lose that much sleep over naming a few names, you shouldn't take this thread so seriously anyway as I keep saying its my opinion on their music not them personally ffs, I've taken plenty of criticism of my music on here it doesn't vex me whatsover as long as its only the music thats being slated I actually find such criticism quite amusing as it usually means a tune will do well. I'm hoping that like me trying to do what they do for jokes they might feel a bit guilty and try to write some real music in response to my rant (especially considering some of them are real musicians) and do you really think im that bitter or just having a bit of banter? What im saying on here is about the same as what a huge number of ppl are saying anyway so whats the big deal I'm only being honest and a bit cheeky, I've had no spazzy wobbler mp3s sent to me since this rant so something positive has come out it as I was literally swamped b4 that and lots of deep heads appreciate that its not a chinstroker having a moan for a change

Most of the tearout I play is by a handfull of producers who I swap tunes with with not the usual big league suspects you will very rarely catch me playing an overplayed tearout tune that absolutely everyone knows to get the popular vote (think I played Eastern Jam once) I get good reactions without resorting to this overused cheap track but I understand that its all midrange cack to you

I don't think its a DJs place to educate their audience too much - I give my audience what they want with a bit of "education" here and there, if I'm playing ravemonsta etc its going to be mainly jumpup (deep as well but mostly in the mix) but if I'm playing a 3 hour set in Europe ill play a far deeper set and enjoy it all the more as thats the music that I really like. HOWEVER I'm not going to force music on an an audience who isn't particularly interested, don't try it with the female card either I've been out at plenty of nights and know the reality of that situation so lets not go there!

[rob sparx]

Jump up: (a few random ones)
Akira Kiteshi
The Others
Reso
Subscape
Lost

Brostep: (a few random ones)
Borgore
Flux Pavillion
Cookie Monsta
Datsik
(another shit producer here.)

Jump up:
1.) it's listenable.
2.) most of those producers have made other stuff then just their normal.
3.) they don't sound like eachother.
4.) they've been in the game before "brostep" was even around.

Brostep:
1.) it's the equivalent of punching yourself in the ears (NOT in a good way.)
2.) all of those 'producers' sound the same.
3.) all of their tunes sound the same.
4.) it sucks dick.

This is exactly what I'm getting at, thankyou! Wish more ppl could understand this concept instead of trying to tar anything remotely harsh with the same retarded brush!

Oh yea don't forget that jumpup usually has sub bass which is more than I can say for a lot of "brostep"

[wess3l]

Don't think Datsik should be in that list, the others i can agree with tho.

[jolly wailer]

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dam bro dats sick! chance 4 a 230???

[capo ultra]

Remember the days when you thought Dubstep would NEVER go the way of drum n bass etc and get categorised off into sub-genres like 'deep' and tech' and 'jumpup' ?

[DjGarethJ]

This is my first post on this forum and the first time I've properly read through a thread.

There are too many people on this forum (it seems) that think that because they have been into the scene for x amounts of years that they have the moral high ground over new people joining the scene and because they have been into it longer they can tell them what they should or shouldn't listen to.

I started getting into dubstep about 2 years ago when I came across Rusko's essential mix, which you could say its pretty jump up. Does this make me "teen web warrior" who knows fuck all about what "dubstep" is?

After getting hold of the essential mix I started going through youtube researching dubstep tunes and getting a feel for what is what.

When I researched I got to know more names and what they produced and got a feel for the different styles of dubstep.

So for all you "old schoolers", what wrong with abit of jump up dubstep? Cos it evidentially got me to get more knowledge about dubstep. Now I've bought over 3000+ dubstep tunes, ranging for Burial's album's to Funtcase's new releases, Benga's album to Dubstep Allstars.

So, I ask you again, because I like jump up, does this automatically make me a "teen web 'this tune is dirtier than gangbanging my mum on a period' warrior", even though I've gone to download albums from across the spektrum and have a pretty decent amount of knowledge of what's what?

Stop being such old farts and grow up. Dubstep has been "ruined" by jump up and wobble, your "good/old" dubstep is still around, go and find it. You don't own dubstep because u've listened to it for x amount of years. If you think jump up is that shit, spend £££ on a studio and Reason, sit in your studio for weeks on end and learn to produce the stuff you want to hear instead of wingeing at other peoples work and try and get onto a record label and sell 100's/1000's of records.

This thread has given me second thoughts about even joining this forum, its ment to be about the music and the enjoyment of it, not crying because there's a song you dont like. Like I said, if you don't like it, go spend some time and lots of money on a studio and learning to produce track after track after track and get "your style" of dubstep out there. If not, stop winging.

Ps, no offence to you "old schoolers", but if i would of got into dubstep by someone introducing me Burial's album or Kode9's "Memories of the Future", I would of ran off and cried right back to Electro and Breaks and not gone near dubstep again. Im pretty sure I feel asleep at my laptop once while it came on repeat on my iTunes.



Big up everyone doing there own thing out there, forget everyone that's hating.

G

[ST100]

Remember the days when you thought Dubstep would NEVER go the way of drum n bass etc and get categorised off into sub-genres like 'deep' and tech' and 'jumpup' ?

indeed.

[pompende]

sorry... all you can come up with is burial and benga?

and for the record: if you came into dubstep through rusko then yeah you probably know fuck all because you sir are an exception to most people because most people can't be assed to 'research' music on their own.

[pompende]

Remember the days when you thought Dubstep would NEVER go the way of drum n bass etc and get categorised off into sub-genres like 'deep' and tech' and 'jumpup' ?

indeed.

i don't remember that at all... from what i recall: upon first listening to dubstep lots of people think that it should be broken into subgenres because they dont understand how such a diverse array of sounds could only have one name. they would then post this on dsf and a handfull of people would explain how opposed they were to this because it ruined dnb....

for the 4-5 years i have listened to dubstep there has ALWAYS been a very vocal concern that it would go stale and then splinter into a variety of expressionless subgenres.

[DjGarethJ]

sorry... all you can come up with is burial and benga?

and for the record: if you came into dubstep through rusko then yeah you probably know fuck all because you sir are an exception to most people because most people can't be assed to 'research' music on their own.

I can list all my albums I've bought if you fancy?

And I know fuck all about dubstep? How did you figure that one out you smart smart boy?

[pompende]

no thanks but you could make your point more clearly and concisely if you used more diverse examples....

and i thought i made it clear that you were a relatively unique case because you had actually done some reading on dubstep outside of hypemachine.

[DjGarethJ]

no thanks but you could make your point more clearly and concisely if you used more diverse examples....

and i thought i made it clear that you were a relatively unique case because you had actually done some reading on dubstep outside of hypemachine.

Apologise, but these are the names that came to my head there and then, couldn't be bothered to keep on quote name after name after name.

And apologise again, I didn't quite get what you ment by your reply

[SketchyDub]

Sorry but flux pavillion is sick and his tunes actually do sound good, you stnuc saying he is brostep can fuck off and die, at the end of the day i dont want to be part of a scene full of such pricks that think they are better than everyone else, dubstep is turning into shit because of the arrogant pricks that like it. you're all ruining the genre not the producers. I'm done with this gay little forum full of fucking wankers if i could delete my account i would in a second, but i cant. this will be my last post here, and basically to say half of you are egotistical cuntbuckets who need so shut your fucking mouths and just chill.. laters.

[ST100]

who even gives a shit anymore?

at the end of the day, we all know brostep is SHIT.

[noam]

LOL

agreed.

funny thing is i hadnt had it happen for such a long time, but last week i went out, to a night in manc that shall remain nameless, and heard Brostep ALLLL NIGHT. like literally no let up, until one of the last sets, which smashed it without the need to SPIN THE BROOOO!

thing is, i was smashed, i had battered MKAT, it was that sort of night, fuck it, tunes were shite, but it was fun

then got back to ma mates house, had some clueless girls with us who were nice, the fact they knew fuck all about dubstep didnt make me want to smash their faces in and never see hear talk to them again, who could give a shit?! it actually made me embarrassed when ma mate played sweetshop with the line "duno why i like this, it jus sounds sick!" i just said nothin except, 'yeah but im into different stuff', i was embarrassed cos i realised how silly it is to get actually angry about it is, and also the extent of my musical snobbery

it just made me laugh thinkin back about it, cos i know so many people who are music snobs when they know fuck all about the music they're being snobby about

then i know people who are music snobs who know too much about the music they're snobbin about

then i know people who jus dont care, and if it sounds good to them then they like it and they'll dance...

i think its shit, you might think its shit, loadsa people might think its shit, but if someone else likes it, face it, its here to stay

gotta big up rob sparx though for comin out with what he did, fuck it, if 'its all about opinions' (as a brostepper will always say when confronted with 'i think this is shit') then why cant he have his? massive respect to you rob, also for makin Bloodbath which is a sick tune /bumlick

[pompende]

nice post mr noam. gotta say i actually like sweetshop alrite...and the only problem w brostep is that people want to batter it all night like you experienced which is sad coz there are so many awesome sounds available near 140 bpm!

basically:

open with 'circling' , peak with 'sweetshop' = nice!
open with 'when i look at u' , peak with 'sweatshop' = not so nice
open with 'circling' , peak with 'sine of the times" = both great tunes but you have still fucked up somehow...

[pompende]

oh also:

'what the folk is stagnating in eyez down?'

[noam]

lol @ 'open with when i look at you peak with sweet shop'

[brasco]

who even gives a shit anymore?

at the end of the day, we all know brostep is SHIT.

Oh yea don't forget that jumpup usually has sub bass which is more than I can say for a lot of "brostep"

thing is although i dont agree with all of the names suggested, its the 5000 copycats trying to out filth each other on soundcloud and youtube that is depressing.

this video someone found the other day depresses me the most though. and pretty much sums up the attitude of dubstep amongst these 'artists' -




some say this is the video anti war dub was created with