do you think humanity is worth saving?

[parson]

i read in a david icke book (the biggest secret) that white people were put in isolation tanks and their circadian rhythms alligned with the rotation of mars

[neon-dubz]

What made them come here?
Panspermia or something like that?

[parson]

What made them come here?
Panspermia or something like that?

i reckon panspermia is how we get humans all over the place, and some humans from some other place came to another place where there's humans and fucked the place up real good

[parson]

i reckon there's a singular drive that all of humanity has that manifests in a number of different ways. it is basically philanthropism and altruism. people wanna do good. the problem is that modeltheistically speaking, any remotely different idea of how to do good is going to be inherently bad. everybody thinks they've got the one and only way to do good. this is why democrats hate republicans and why sunnis hate shi'as and potheads hate cops.

so the problem with the world isn't that people are dumb or people are bad. it's that people have tunnel vision. it's all a form of xenophobia.

[d-T-r]

trial and error.

the 'errors' arent a bad thing though, they're lessons. they may seem like bad things during these 'error's' but they're necessary for development.

basically people have to do some really dumb fucked up shit and keep doing progressively more fucked up shit until we realize what's detrimental.

on the flip side, alot of people are doing some amazing things which is always worth being reminded of. a lot of people are gradually learning to loose individual ego, which in turn helps lower the strength of the collective ego.

even though the plot sometimes gets a bit predictable and repetitive, we're still writing the script.

[hackman]

tbh humanity is probably worth saving, cos it's no-ones fault for all the atrocities being committed, as we've been manipulated for like ever man

[magma]

i reckon there's a singular drive that all of humanity has that manifests in a number of different ways. it is basically philanthropism and altruism. people wanna do good. the problem is that modeltheistically speaking, any remotely different idea of how to do good is going to be inherently bad. everybody thinks they've got the one and only way to do good. this is why democrats hate republicans and why sunnis hate shi'as and potheads hate cops.

so the problem with the world isn't that people are dumb or people are bad. it's that people have tunnel vision. it's all a form of xenophobia.

This is a truly great post.

[uncle bill]

it is now important to make a clear distinction about "human" actions.

some humans are the indigenous earth people.

some humans are babylon.

i read in a david icke book (the biggest secret) that white people were put in isolation tanks and their circadian rhythms alligned with the rotation of mars

I’m all for arguing about whether human beings are a disaster area or not but if we’re going into stoner Sci Fi comic book territory I’m out.

i reckon there's a singular drive that all of humanity has that manifests in a number of different ways. it is basically philanthropism and altruism. people wanna do good. the problem is that modeltheistically speaking, any remotely different idea of how to do good is going to be inherently bad. everybody thinks they've got the one and only way to do good. this is why democrats hate republicans and why sunnis hate shi'as and potheads hate cops.

so the problem with the world isn't that people are dumb or people are bad. it's that people have tunnel vision. it's all a form of xenophobia.

Yeah, that's about right.

Most of us mean well but it’s difficult to see the bigger picture when faced with the competing interests of billions of people.

It doesn’t help that the minority who control the wealth have a disproportionate influence on politics and the media because they’re more concerned with their own interests than those of humanity as a species. The failure of communist states to provide an ethical alternative has given the agenda back to the wealthy.

It makes sense to me to be positive about the achievements of scientists, artists, engineers etc while hating the narrow worldview of the ruling class. We’re lions led by donkeys.

[alien pimp]

i reckon there's a singular drive that all of humanity has that manifests in a number of different ways. it is basically philanthropism and altruism. people wanna do good. the problem is that modeltheistically speaking, any remotely different idea of how to do good is going to be inherently bad. everybody thinks they've got the one and only way to do good. this is why democrats hate republicans and why sunnis hate shi'as and potheads hate cops.

so the problem with the world isn't that people are dumb or people are bad. it's that people have tunnel vision. it's all a form of xenophobia.

yeah, i bet the republicans and democrats fight for their idea of well-doing, not for their group/individual materialistic interests disguised and sold as public interest for tv addicts. political parties have never acted like legal mafia clans or serving different lobbies and financial interests, sure
not to mention sunnis and shi'as, sunnis are vegans and wanna save the whales, while shi'as want more pork farms for the people to eat meat...

[Genevieve]

What made them come here?
Panspermia or something like that?

i reckon panspermia is how we get humans all over the place, and some humans from some other place came to another place where there's humans and fucked the place up real good

Panspermia is the spreading of the chemical compounds that form the basic building blocks of life from outerspace to a planet. Not the travel of fully formed species through the galaxy.

[Genevieve]

a clever cancer is still cancer. no other species on earth is cancer. every other species is a vital organ.

Seeing as 'species' (which is an entirely human construct) have been going extinct all the time, that's impossible.

You've been repeating that argument for a year now, still with no observable justification for that claim.

[ahier]

a clever cancer is still cancer. no other species on earth is cancer. every other species is a vital organ.

the problem with this is that you are saying that cancer is innately wrong - a thought process completely moulded by 21st century western principles. cancer is sad, tragic, unfortunate fact of life, but it is just that - a fact of life, it is something that is unavoidable, and as such is something that needs to be coped with. none of us can claim responsibility for how we have ended up at the stage we are in evolution, but the more we learn about the balance of life, the more we need to focus on self improvement and awareness, rather than deeming everything as not worth saving. and it is worth remembering that life isnt the delicate, fragile wispy thing people imagine it to be, life wants to fight to survive. think of all the setbacks there have been in the process of evolution that have brought us here, but we are still here. and as long as we want to try and save ourselves, then we have every right to be saved.

[ResetTheAtari]

I wouldn't call cancer a fact of life. I think that it can be erradicated, probably really quickly too if religion was banned worldwide and we poured the money from all the wars it causes into research.

[neon-dubz]

What made them come here?
Panspermia or something like that?

i reckon panspermia is how we get humans all over the place, and some humans from some other place came to another place where there's humans and fucked the place up real good

Panspermia is the spreading of the chemical compounds that form the basic building blocks of life from outerspace to a planet. Not the travel of fully formed species through the galaxy.

We know.

[Neurotik]

we poured the money from all the wars it causes into research.

I can definitely see where both the virus and cancer analogies come from, we rapidly multiply within an environment and destroy it before moving onto somewhere else and just like a cancerous growth starving the rest of the organism from vital nutrients, we grow without regulation and use the planets resources to the neglegence of other species etc. But honestly i can see a positive aspect of humanity that has a will to learn more about the mysterious universe it was born into and to put the knowledge aquired to positive applications that benefit the planet as a whole. Sadly that part of the human population seems to be dwarfed by the number of people who are content strolling through life lost in materialistic consumerism, using resources without contributing anything back, and would probably die before stepping out of the ridiculous media images most of them waste life trying so desperately to live up to and appear not to be part of the popular crowd (although only a small part of the blame for that lies on the individual imo)....Mmmkay after that i think i'll pop into the "are you pretentious" thread and tick 'yes'.

[Genevieve]

What made them come here?
Panspermia or something like that?

i reckon panspermia is how we get humans all over the place, and some humans from some other place came to another place where there's humans and fucked the place up real good

Panspermia is the spreading of the chemical compounds that form the basic building blocks of life from outerspace to a planet. Not the travel of fully formed species through the galaxy.

We know.

Nah, parson truly believes that panspermia is something that contradicts evolution.

[Genevieve]

Anyway, I still await a proper explanation on why a lifeless planet Earth is inherently bad.

[badger]

Anyway, I still await a proper explanation on why a lifeless planet Earth is inherently bad.

because then there wouldn't be any people left to have the same circular arguments with each other whilst rarely displaying enough humility to actually accept they might be wrong occasionally.... oh right... you said "bad"

[64hz]

i reckon there's a singular drive that all of humanity has that manifests in a number of different ways. it is basically philanthropism and altruism. people wanna do good. the problem is that modeltheistically speaking, any remotely different idea of how to do good is going to be inherently bad. everybody thinks they've got the one and only way to do good. this is why democrats hate republicans and why sunnis hate shi'as and potheads hate cops.

so the problem with the world isn't that people are dumb or people are bad. it's that people have tunnel vision. it's all a form of xenophobia.

people are inherently selfish, and look out mainly for number 1.
philanthropism and altruism are used because often being nice to other people makes it easier for ourselves.

[parson]

I’m all for arguing about whether human beings are a disaster area or not but if we’re going into stoner Sci Fi comic book territory I’m out.

then PEACE OUT