just a question to militant anti cackstep people

[djake]

i think your looking for http://www.moanstepforum.com .....

[2ndBass]

I wouldn't list Radio 1 as something that's supposedly "killing dubstep". Mary Anne Hobbs, Giles Peterson, Rob da Bank and others are all pushing the experimental sounds of dubstep, it's only really Annie Mac that's pushing the tearout stuff, and that's only because her show is "the Mash Up", a show thats meant to be listened to when you are getting ready for a night out?

[tacospheros]

while i can't account for everyone's opinion , i can honestly say i try not to cut anyone any slack regardless of how many amazing tunes they've put out. a stinker is a stinker no matter who produced it


case in point , i fuckin hate In For The Kill , but it's because i think the tune is lazy and simple, and unworthy of so much hype (still gets automatic rewinds and such). But i have respect for Skream's versatility. Summer Dreams is one of my favorites. I think the problem is especially with formulaic producers, if i personally think the formula sucks, then I'm personally not gonna like anything that comes from that formula. with few exceptions. (i used to shamelessly brock out to cockney thug along with every god damn body, and probably still would to this day if it were dropped right)


for the record, i try not to generalize with music or anything else, i try to be as open minded as possible, and my music taste reflects that. everyone says "everything except country" well guess what, I LIKE SOME COUNTRY (usually just old bluegrass though) so THERE

[Seda]

put in work!!!!!

enough with the shortcuts already

if someone has been there done that (skream), they can either come across as creative/original or they can just do the same old thing cause they usually do it just as good, if not better.

I don't think even Skream himself would agree with that last bit.

[dubloke]

if a tunes shit its shit, doesn't matter who produced it

u say that but have u never found urself automatically thinking somthing is shit because u do not like the producer as a whole?? cus i have somtimes and i have to remind myself that u shudnt be so judgemental

good point

[shanegant]

well when i see people sayin dub i just thought it was because its easier and shorter than sayin dubstep nothing to do with people not knowing where this music come from and getting offended by it

maybe thats just me

[Science]

I would say that I seem to find the opposite to quite a lot of people evidently; I actually find myself more inclined to judge a 'wobble' track by Skream or Benga because they are such absolute heroes and there's plenty of evidence for their versatility and mind-blowing talent, in the same way as I can't help but judge the sets I have seen Benga and Skream respectively play at the last two FWDs, because I know they can both play absolutely fucking brilliant DJ sets and not be inclined to pull up some waste chainsaw track twice as their opener (see Skream's set last Thursday).

To be honest, to say anything negative about either of them pains me so much, because I know that I can stick on 'Skream!' of 'Diaries Of An Afro Warrior' (or 90%+ of their discographies for that matter) and all the horrible feelings will go away, and I will very quickly remember that it was their music which opened up the door into this amazing genre which, although now bastardised to some extent (but NOT in an overwhelming way), is still producing some of the most exciting music in the world in my opinion and gives me more joy than pretty much anything else. I think anyone who despairs about the state of 'dubstep' and how its been poluted by unintelligent music (something which I spend far too much time thinking about) should remember that this is a scene which is open-minded enough to allow someone as unusual and utterly brilliant as James Blake to rise to the fore, when, to some extent, he is a bit of a black sheep in that his music is incredibly difficult to categorise (which is part of what makes it brilliant).

I just don't understand those who take the opinion that 'dubstep' has all gone to shit. One one hand, you could say that maybe the majority of stuff that's good just isn't 'dubstep' anymore, for example the consistently excellent output of Hemlock and Hessle, which has just as much house and garage in it as pure dubstep (don't ask me what 'pure' dubstep is...). In support of this you could also look at the fact that the best DJs associated with the dubstep scene at the moment are playing loads of funky and house-orientated stuff becuase that makes up the majority of what's fresh and interesting at the moment. I personally think that Loefah releasing 'Footcrab / Dumbshit' on Swamp 81 is a big indicator that even the halfstep purists are recognising that branching out is required, but I don't want to be speculating too much about something which I can't truly know, after all: Loefah's the badman, I'm just the armchair theorist. I could also speculate that the need to look elsewhere for musical influence is part of the reason behind Skream's best recent tracks being effectively jungle slowed down a bit; and there's no denying that 'Listening To The Records On My Wall' and the Skreamix of 'Float' are absolutely banging.

On the other hand, when I think that good true 'dubstep' just isn't being made anymore, I can just listen to what Mala has put out on Medi over the last year or so (big up Mark Pritchard's release especially) and I know that it's all cool. If the sick music that Silkie and Quest are making isn't 'dubstep' then I'm completely lost. The same could be applied to Kryptic Minds.

I do undeniably find hearing a wobble set from someone like Skream or Benga a bit depressing, but essentially they have to be remembered for what they really are - geniuses and pioneers. And, to be honest, I find it difficult to blame them - the type of reaction that they can get by playing a wobble set must be a big incentive to carry on doing it. And, as pointed out by Loefah: "I don’t really have a problem with the Benga and Skream thing. Because honestly the most successful shit in dubstep right now, whether you like it or not, is Benga and Skream... They make rave music for this day and age."

I can't say it's what I want to hear, but you've got to recognise it's place in the scene.


God, what a fucking waste of half an hour....

[fassyman]

i think we should declare science the hero of this thread and all, respectively, shut the fuck up about this whole wobble argument.

[test_recordings]

I just find it annoying when I start a thread about new, interesting stuff and get bugger all response.. someone did reply though with a very good find but I got bored an joined a breakcore forum instead.
I'll bump it to see what happens