Would love some pointers.

[Vladdypwnz]

What's up guys. Sorry if this is a wrong forum for this (although there isn't that many to choose from) or is inappropriate here at all.

Throughout most conscious life I've been a complete metalhead, until I encountered some electronica a couple of years back - it started with spacecruises listening to Ratatat, progressed from this to that to glitch beat/experimental artists like Hecq (amazing, btw) and The Flashbulb (at which point I've lost all common musical interests with all of my friends) and now I am completely addicted to dubstep. The thing is though, every genre that I've passed through so to speak was fleeting, I knew I enjoyed it but I also knew that I would eventually move on and like something else. Something about dubstep thoug, it's just mind-boggling. Maybe it's because it's electronica's variation on death metal (metaphorically speaking) - it's gritty and ridiculous and not afraid to experiment but at the same time accessible and is completely irresistible as far as nodding your head goes.
I've been listening to it long enough that I find it very odd that I'm not moving onto something else. Something about how visceral it sounds is almost... transcendental. Not only that but I find it amazing how many little-known (at least here in the US) artists participate in it. In case anybody gives a shit (which is unlikely) here are some of my favorite tracks that I've found thus far: Truth - Revelation, 16 Bit - Chainsaw Calligraphy, Skism - The Blank (16 Bit Remix), Damien Marley - It Was Written (chasing shadows remix) and Mblack - Heartbreak (bare noize remix) (Yeah I know the vocal intro is lame but the drop is really awesome )

Anyway, lurking on this forum a little bit and hearing some of the members' mixes was the final straw. I want to make my own shit. I'm not retarded musically (9 years of informal piano) but I feel humbled at the prospect. The thing is though, living in the cultural shithole in the US, I don't know anything about it.

So, some questions to the veterans and otherwise here that make dubstep - what do you feel dubstep is? what artists have inspired you? what software/hardware do you use to make music? where to learn the basics? how did you learn the basics? any advice for a beginner?

[CMACD]

http://www.dubstepforum.com/production- ... 32399.html

[feasible_weasel]

holy wall of text

[feasible_weasel]

badoom tish

[Vladdypwnz]

http://www.dubstepforum.com/production- ... 32399.html

Ahhhhhh I should have searched. But to my credit I did look in the FAQ. Thanks.

[feasible_weasel]

http://www.dubstepforum.com/production- ... 32399.html

Ahhhhhh I should have searched. But to my credit I did look in the FAQ. Thanks.

[Basic A]

Dubstep is not the electronic fucking form of metal.

There is nothing metal about this okay? Get that out of your skull... This is not the new Breakcore man. Even people who listen to aggy shit like me can tell you there is no metal here aside from ONE guy with a unique sound whcih you should never copy cause that would make you a copycat and noone would like you.

Dubstep is the electronic culmination of all things electronic.

STFU.

That being said!

theres a whole production forum and they had to link you?

Sorry if that was harsh but you dont know what your saying at all.

[Vladdypwnz]

I expected a post like that. Relax, man! That's why I said - metaphorically speaking. Metal and dubstep have very little in common except for the vibe that they give off to me personally - both very... relentless. As a genre. After seeing the "message from mt eden dj" thread I wasn't really sure how to make an unknowldedgeable first post without pissing off a bunch of people.
Dubstep clearly doesn't sound like metal. It's just that the best technical metal is completely underground getting next to no attention other than devout fans and it felt like to me that that was the case with dubstep.

But once again. I'm not here to piss anyone off. Like I said, I don't know shit. I'd like for some constructive answers to enlighten

As far as the production forum, I thought that production was like... after-production rather, so I subconsciously skipped it. I don't know why. Terminology problem I guess.

[CMACD]

hahah dubstep is black metal, and Cookie Monsta, Borgore, and Nero are the Cradle of Filths & Dimmu Borgirs of the scene.

skream, mala, vex'd, and benga are the Darkthrone, Mayhems, Immortals, & Emperors of the scene. DMZ is the dubstep version of moonfog productions. I'm not even kidding, it's kinda funny. The condescending vibes I get from everyone online is exactly the same too, hah.

[Basic A]

hahah dubstep is black metal, and Cookie Monsta, Borgore, and Nero are the Cradle of Filths & Dimmu Borgirs of the scene.

skream, mala, vex'd, and benga are the Darkthrone, Mayhems, Immortals, & Emperors of the scene. DMZ is the dubstep version of moonfog productions. I'm not even kidding, it's kinda funny. The condescending vibes I get from everyone online is exactly the same too, hah.

How is something with DUB in the title and a bunch of artist who had nothing to do with it the dons of the new black metal?

Those are some very generic examples of the BAD sad of aggy shit.

Like I said, I like aggressive stuff, but man even thats nothing to do with metal.

And metal gives me very BAD vibes.

Dont associate it with this.

Production having somehting to do with afte production what the fuck kind of crazy gibberish oxymoron stuff??? Im sorry man, I REALLY dont wanna seem like a dick at all but that sentence you said up there BLEW MY MIND. You do know DJs dont make what thier playing live right there in front of you with the decks right man? Tunes are PRODUCED by PRODUCERs in a process called PRODUCTION and then djs play them out... Maybe this is why your so slueless you thought production meant something to do with after production??

I thought that production was like... after-production

This is the sentence I am so confused about dude.

That makes no fucking sense read it back to yourself.

[noam]

hahah dubstep is black metal, and Cookie Monsta, Borgore, and Nero are the Cradle of Filths & Dimmu Borgirs of the scene.

skream, mala, vex'd, and benga are the Darkthrone, Mayhems, Immortals, & Emperors of the scene. DMZ is the dubstep version of moonfog productions. I'm not even kidding, it's kinda funny. The condescending vibes I get from everyone online is exactly the same too, hah.

How is something with DUB in the title and a bunch of artist who had nothing to do with it the dons of the new black metal?

Those are some very generic examples of the BAD sad of aggy shit.

Like I said, I like aggressive stuff, but man even thats nothing to do with metal.

And metal gives me very BAD vibes.

Dont associate it with this.

Production having somehting to do with afte production what the fuck kind of crazy gibberish oxymoron stuff??? Im sorry man, I REALLY dont wanna seem like a dick at all but that sentence you said up there BLEW MY MIND. You do know DJs dont make what thier playing live right there in front of you with the decks right man? Tunes are PRODUCED by PRODUCERs in a process called PRODUCTION and then djs play them out... Maybe this is why your so slueless you thought production meant something to do with after production??

I thought that production was like... after-production

This is the sentence I am so confused about dude.

That makes no fucking sense read it back to yourself.

you sound like you have a big chip on your shoulder, calm down

and i get what he's saying about the metal, i used to listen to metal occasionally still do, along with all other kinds of music, but that is irrelevant

what you need to start making tracks like this is a software program first, something like Logic (if you have a mac) or Reason, or Fruity Loops, or Ableton, look into those, once you read about the basic programs, you'll see there are more software programs you can use, and further there is hardware you can buy and use with this software, its a whole world of technology, and its up to you how much you wana put in, in research and time and practice

i dont produce btw, but everything i said up there is pretty straightforward for anyone

and i probably wouldnt listen to much that people chat on about regards which programs are better, or sampling or whatever, if you wana give making tunes a go then just start at the bottom and you'll find your feet

see?? that wasn't so fucking hard was it

[deadly_habit]

take what you dig from your influences, learn the basic techniques (not exact cloning them) and meld it to your own.
the key for me making music is to get out what i hear in my head, if i can listen to it repeatedly and not hate it i send it to labels or give it away.
took me 10 years at it before i had a release i'm still proud of to this day along with some mediocre ones under different names.
basically if you're passionate about it, it no logger is a task or job doing it, but more like a hobby you enjoy and can lose hrs and sleep from without realizing it.
and always realize you can learn more and there is no one right way to do something. different people work in different ways.
oh and a poor craftsman/artist blames their tools

[_boring]

Dubstep is not the electronic fucking form of metal.

There is nothing metal about this okay? Get that out of your skull... This is not the new Breakcore man. Even people who listen to aggy shit like me can tell you there is no metal here aside from ONE guy with a unique sound whcih you should never copy cause that would make you a copycat and noone would like you.

Dubstep is the electronic culmination of all things electronic.

STFU.

That being said!

theres a whole production forum and they had to link you?

Sorry if that was harsh but you dont know what your saying at all.

stop being blind broooo

[curse]

Dubstep is not the electronic fucking form of metal.

There is nothing metal about this okay? Get that out of your skull... This is not the new Breakcore man. Even people who listen to aggy shit like me can tell you there is no metal here aside from ONE guy with a unique sound whcih you should never copy cause that would make you a copycat and noone would like you.

Dubstep is the electronic culmination of all things electronic.

STFU.

That being said!

theres a whole production forum and they had to link you?

Sorry if that was harsh but you dont know what your saying at all.

Wow, chill out man. There are ways to get your points across without being condescending and rude

@Vladdypwnz keep a broad mind when exploring dubstep, it's an incredibly diverse genre. There's a LOT of good stuff...

Try labels like Hotflush, Planet Mu, Hyperdub, DMZ, Tempa, Tectonic, Deep Medi, Hemlock, Hessle Audio, Anti Social, Swamp 81 and a few others... (including Circus records, I'm not a fan but they're pretty popular, might be your thing)

Personally my favourite artists are Joker, Silkie, Kromestar, Gemmy, Sukh Knight, Vex'd, Darkstar, Skream, Martyn & Breakage among a few others.

That scratches the surface, have fun digging

[roshman111]

A brilliant first post Vladdypwnz. Disappointed you got such an awful welcome.

I also whisked through many genres, and I still appreciate all types of music, but something about Dubstep has always stuck with me, which is why it's the only genre of music I've spend any money on vinyl on.

I sort of understand why you're confused about the After-production thing, especially if you've just come from a live band scene. Production also = Making beats.

Dubstep is one of the more difficult genres of music to produce IMO. But it's openness in definition is it's strength. (140bpm and Sub-bass)

Here are some examples of how wide the sound can be.

Also if you don't have a Sub woofer I advise you get you one.


One of my favourites.





Most importantly of all. Ignore Basic A, judging by the rest of his posts on this forum he's the most attention seeking user in recent times.