DSF-ADVANCED ?

[wirez]

And look at the next generations, like they're going to give a fuck about vinyl (other than a selective few smart ones,

Not true. In South London everyone I know who is into music says unless you have a tunes out on 12" than you are nothing.

I wouldn't be surprised if they were they same crack dealers who say you're nothing unless you're driving a beamer and have at least two tear tattoos because you've killed people.

Everyone with a PC is now a producer and most of them are releasing tracks digital one way or another.

Still doesn't put aside the fact that quality of tracks makes a big difference, as you can release as much as you like but if it's shit it doesn't sell. (Bar bad/limited promotion)

Most of it is forgotten about by the end of the day:)

This is a topic I've discussed before with Abz and he argued with me that it wasn't the case, I agree with it to some extent, which is why I will make CD copies of my music even if only a limited amount. As far as I'm concerned though, as nice as it is, vinyl isn't a sound enough investment for me until I have more support.

[serox]

I wouldn't be surprised if they were they same crack dealers who say you're nothing unless you're driving a beamer and have at least two tear tattoos because you've killed people.

Maybe so but they are people into music and not into internet forums. People respect artists with 12" releases and take them more seriously.

The ratio for people who release digital music who get famous is quite weak. But if you check people who have 12" releases in Dubstep they tent to be out there gigging a bit more off just a couple of releases. It does help if you can get your track in the right hands tho of course. With so many people releasing mp3s its easy to get missed and just put into a pile of shit

[wirez]

and not into internet forums.

People respect artists with 12" releases and take them more seriously.

People respect artists who make decent music, doesn't matter what it's pressed on. I know what you're saying of course, but it's not a majority that think that way. You'd be stupid to think so, outside of DJ's who the fuck owns turntables to play vinyl?!
You could say that it doesn't matter if people buy the vinyl, if you've got it printed and nobody wants to buy it because they can't play it, waste of money.

The ratio for people who release digital music who get famous is quite weak.

ALL artists who want to earn money will release digital music. If there's an alternative way to make money, why would any 'business' turn it down?

With so many people releasing mp3s its easy to get missed and just put into a pile of shit

Yep, true say. That's why you either work very hard yourself or work with a decent label to be promoted properly, resulting in being more noticed.

[serox]

People respect artists who make decent music, doesn't matter what it's pressed on. I know what you're saying of course, but it's not a majority that think that way. You'd be stupid to think so, outside of DJ's who the fuck owns turntables to play vinyl?!

People who are into their music maybe. There are quite a few people out there who enjoy vinyl still and spend loads of decent tables to play music on.

[wirez]

People respect artists who make decent music, doesn't matter what it's pressed on. I know what you're saying of course, but it's not a majority that think that way. You'd be stupid to think so, outside of DJ's who the fuck owns turntables to play vinyl?!

People who are into their music maybe. There are quite a few people out there who enjoy vinyl still and spend loads of decent tables to play music on.

Lol sorry man but quite a few people isn't enough for me to change my mind and think that vinyl pressing is a worthwhile investment... If I was famous enough to have my music bought by everybody in the UK that did own a turntable then I might consider it but as it is it's just not a big enough audience. Hopefully one day I will be able to do this, or at least have a label that's willing to, but I really can't afford such a hit and miss investment currently and don't think my music should suffer for it. Hopefully the conservatives remind South London that we're in an economic crisis

[serox]

Lol sorry man but quite a few people isn't enough for me to change my mind and think that vinyl pressing is a worthwhile investment... If I was famous enough to have my music bought by everybody in the UK that did own a turntable then I might consider it but as it is it's just not a big enough audience. Hopefully one day I will be able to do this, or at least have a label that's willing to, but I really can't afford such a hit and miss investment currently and don't think my music should suffer for it. Hopefully the conservatives remind South London that we're in an economic crisis

It is expensive but it does have a better sound I think:)

Depends what you are after I guess. I want quality music and thats it. I am not doing this as a business or want to make money from it. My aim is to make a track that is remembered years down the line.

[Sirius]

see tha reason people make records is because it is the sound system way. the original dub styles! like wirez... you obviously just produce & don't spin? all the real money is made at festivals & shows. its a huge piece of the scene to get ya dubs cut! i feel ya cant be successful in dubstep unless ya have a dj spinning ya plates... otherwise your just a computer geek with an attitude.

[serox]

see tha reason people make records is because it is the sound system way. the original dub styles! like wirez... you obviously just produce & don't spin? all the real money is made at festivals & shows. its a huge piece of the scene to get ya dubs cut! i feel ya cant be successful in dubstep unless ya have a dj spinning ya plates... otherwise your just a computer geek with an attitude.

Its all about getting your music played by DJs yep. Get the DJs at the top of the game playing your music and the rest will follow. Get the respect from the people who are respected and fuck the money.

[wirez]

It is expensive but it does have a better sound I think:)

Oh course man, I'd never turn it down and if I could afford it would definitely invest into it, it's just that I can't afford it without some more support backing me up....

Depends what you are after I guess. I want quality music and thats it. I am not doing this as a business or want to make money from it. My aim is to make a track that is remembered years down the line.

See personally I feel the same, with the exception of the business/money bit... I need to live man and my dedication to music is inseparable. I've already put half of my life into it and never plan to fuck it off as a hobby and get a job outside of music, which means I need it to earn me money you know...

[stappard]

To be fair it shows a higher level of dedication if anything, at least it shows that these producers see their music as a business and are willing to invest into themselves as a product.

Couldn't disagree more. Getting digital releases is completely uncorrelated with 'dedication'. And I don't see why people seeing their music as a business is healthy in terms of production advice whatsoever?

[serox]

See personally I feel the same, with the exception of the business/money bit... I need to live man and my dedication to music is inseparable. I've already put half of my life into it and never plan to fuck it off as a hobby and get a job outside of music, which means I need it to earn me money you know...

Well good luck to you. I think you have a major disadvantage if you are trying to make music to make money and will result in a fail.

I know I wont ever make as much as I do from my 9-5 while doing music. It is all for fun and for personal achievement. I like to question things to gain knowledge and I like a challenge.

Your music may lack feeling if your aim is to be rich from it:/ You are not putting your soul into it in the right way.

[serox]

Couldn't disagree more. Getting digital releases is completely uncorrelated with 'dedication'. And I don't see why people seeing their music as a business is healthy in terms of production advice whatsoever?

Exactly. The problem with most digital releases is the music has been made by lazy mofo's who are more interested in fame and fortune than they are in learning and making music.

Music is not a business. Its meant to be fun before anything else!

so much facepalm so little time.

[Sharmaji]

guys, note how the title of this thread is NOT "vinyl vs. digital."

back on track please.

(and FWIW, because of lack of overhead, profit on a well-concieved digital release is generally much more than a vinyl release in EDM)

[wirez]

see tha reason people make records is because it is the sound system way. the original dub styles! like wirez... you obviously just produce & don't spin? all the real money is made at festivals & shows. its a huge piece of the scene to get ya dubs cut! i feel ya cant be successful in dubstep unless ya have a dj spinning ya plates... otherwise your just a computer geek with an attitude.

Yeh the thing is though bruv is I'm not a spliff smoking/red stripe drinking rasta coming straight out of Jamaica with a Sound system on the back of a van. I don't make Dub at all, I barely make 'Dubstep' in that sense. That scene/look is pretty irrelevant to me and me culture, but I have studied it hard regardless.

Correct, all of the real money now is made at festivals/shows. This is because of the drop in record sales, which used to be the fundamental source of income for artists, back when vinyl used to sell enough for it to be a sustainable income.

Computer geek with an attitude or not, I have the knowledge, focus and dedication (and am still gaining knowledge and feeding from the knowledge at hand) to be successful. Don't pass me off as an amateur just because I don't DJ, I've spent a lot of time learning about music and the creation and evolution of it, I haven't had time to learn how to DJ and am working on it now. That's not to say that I don't know how a vinyl sounds, or how sub bass from a Dub record coming from a huge sound system feels, believe me I do. Don't assume you know peoples status or level just because they lack one skill, playing music (or mixing) and making music are two completely different things and there's plenty of ways to be successful in either without the other.

[stappard]

See personally I feel the same, with the exception of the business/money bit... I need to live man and my dedication to music is inseparable. I've already put half of my life into it and never plan to fuck it off as a hobby and get a job outside of music, which means I need it to earn me money you know...

Well good luck to you. I think you have a major disadvantage if you are trying to make music to make money and will result in a fail.

I know I wont ever make as much as I do from my 9-5 while doing music. It is all for fun and for personal achievement. I like to question things to gain knowledge and I like a challenge.

Your music may lack feeling if your aim is to be rich from it:/ You are not putting your soul into it in the right way.

As much as I generally take that "music needs soul" crap with a pinch of salt, here I feel its genuinely true. Nobody ever made good music to a business plan.

[wirez]

Couldn't disagree more. Getting digital releases is completely uncorrelated with 'dedication'. And I don't see why people seeing their music as a business is healthy in terms of production advice whatsoever?

Exactly. The problem with most digital releases is the music has been made by lazy mofo's who are more interested in fame and fortune than they are in learning and making music.

Music is not a business. Its meant to be fun before anything else!

so much facepalm so little time.

Now with this post and the one above you're automatically assuming I'm trying to make music that's going to make me magic money. I'm not saying I make commercial music that everybody's going to buy, I don't make pop music or even this new pop-dance music like Roll Deep/Stryder/Dizzee Rascal etc. I was just saying that I was dedicated to making music and that music will be my source of income from now forward, even if it does result to making that sort of music or even just running a studio, or being a live engineer. I didn't say how I was planning on making the money I just said I would be.

As for that rubbish about 'if you make music to make money it won't have any soul...' Rah rah rah. You can't just bang out some magic commercial chords that are there for making moneys sake, all music needs to have some form of soul in order for it to be pleasant to listen to. Soul in my music is always the most important aspect, I don't really feel I need to explain myself or my music but I have anyway.

[stappard]

I don't really feel I need to explain myself or my music but I have anyway.

When you say stuff like

To be fair it shows a higher level of dedication if anything, at least it shows that these producers see their music as a business and are willing to invest into themselves as a product.

I feel thats the sort of statement that requires an explanation. So totally at odds with what I thought the vibe of this forum was about.

[wirez]

See personally I feel the same, with the exception of the business/money bit... I need to live man and my dedication to music is inseparable. I've already put half of my life into it and never plan to fuck it off as a hobby and get a job outside of music, which means I need it to earn me money you know...

Well good luck to you. I think you have a major disadvantage if you are trying to make music to make money and will result in a fail.

I know I wont ever make as much as I do from my 9-5 while doing music. It is all for fun and for personal achievement. I like to question things to gain knowledge and I like a challenge.

Your music may lack feeling if your aim is to be rich from it:/ You are not putting your soul into it in the right way.

As much as I generally take that "music needs soul" crap with a pinch of salt, here I feel its genuinely true. Nobody ever made good music to a business plan.

Let me make it clear what I was saying...

MUSIC has nothing to do with me making money.

MY BRAND that helps promote my music is what I focus on as a business.

[Depone]

oi clarts!

Back to the topic at hand!

Macc i see your points, but in my previous post i suggest not trying to 'divide and conquer', but by allowing new people to read the 'advanced' posts but not post in them until approved. Makes sense to me anyhow.

[egoless]

Maybe there should be some kind of advanced production forum (such as Lifted forum has...) . You submit a link to your tune / tunes, and someone listens to it and gives you acces... I think it's not elitism and like 90% of producers here should have no problem acessing the advanced production section...

and of course there should be this production forum open to all, where is no problem for some newcomer to ask how to make wobble and stuff...