Lady Gaga - Alejandro

[Pistonsbeneath]

and hackman this is my fave goldfrapp tune



danrev i answered you a few pages but you never responded to my post....i ya like go for it

[hackman]

sounds nice

[HamCrescendo]

I can't find the reply regarding falsification pistons man. All I can find after that one is more supposed evidence for your side (masons, templar etc.).

I'd be willing to drop my side if I saw Gordon Brown, Davey Cameron and Barack Obama sharing a platter of babies (as other people have supposedly seen.) There's lot of things I could see that would falsify my beliefs.


What could you see that would falsify yours? Any evidence against it, is just part of the conspiracy. It's just like religion. God is good, there is evil in the world, but it's not because God is bad, it's because of free will/epistemic distance/soul making.

Science works upon the principles of verification and falsification, a certain theory will arise via empirical data. If some more empirical data comes about that makes the previous theory look a little inconsistent, then a new theory will arise (Einstein is an advancement upon Newton apparently, but I'm not a huge science head). The old theory does not try and warp to accomodate these inconsistencies.


You're all smart enough guys, and it's cool that you're looking into stuff. And yeah it's fucking well interesting, but dont call people misguided or misinformed because they don't take the experiences of others as gospel and would rather see something a little more concrete than symbols, imagery and second hand reports before they assume that the world leaders are somehow satanic.

[Pistonsbeneath]

so you dont believe in freemasonry then?

and the history behind the knights templar and its links to masons?

even if you dont believe in the illuminati man those above are in the official history books lol

and they have all kinds of occult shit entwined in the very backbone of their beliefs and they held more power than kings and popes..freemasons still exist and they still have grand masters and they dress up in occult clothing so maybe they still do some of those things???

you ever seen eyes wide shut?

oh and theres things like this

you never gave me answers to this post which was aimed at you danrev....answer it as you wish but im interested in your answer

[HamCrescendo]

so you dont believe in freemasonry then?

and the history behind the knights templar and its links to masons?

even if you dont believe in the illuminati man those above are in the official history books lol

and they have all kinds of occult shit entwined in the very backbone of their beliefs and they held more power than kings and popes..freemasons still exist and they still have grand masters and they dress up in occult clothing so maybe they still do some of those things???

you ever seen eyes wide shut?

oh and theres things like this

Yes I do believe in freemasonry, and given that many powerful people maybe be in them, maybe they do have a little say in the ruling of the US. I can't jump from here to putting satanic messages in Lady GaGa videos though. To me that's an illegitimate jump, another key facet of the religous mind.

And I have a general idea of the links between the templar and the masons. Again, to go from this to Lady GaGa seems an illegitimate jump.

These just seem like assorted facts from history that combine to help inform your assumption that there is an illuminati.



Can you please answer my question now? What would make you drop your belief? If you really can't find anything then all you have is faith.

[wolf89]

It is hilariously flimsy.

I'm a strong believer in a scientific and empirical approach to determining what is fact or not. I'm sceptical naturally. It's not because I'm avoiding the truth on purpose. It's because I don't want to jump to conclusions about shit just because some random person on the internet told me about it. I may as well believe that Elvis isn't dead if I was so easily convinced. There's people out there on the internet who have "proof" for that too. I mean I'm sure that Freemasons have a lot of influence but I don't think that this pop music message shit has any grounding. Really you're jumping to the most insanely unlikely and unjustifiable reasons instead of the simple most feasible explanation that Lady Gaga just thrives on controversy and creating a character for herself and that a metal head who's into this kind of thing directed the video.

and this other music video stuff is even more weak. I mean it's like saying that Another One Bites The Dust by Queen is just a branwashing song for smoking weed because if you reverse it and someone tells you it sounds a bit like "it's fun to smoke marijuana" is being said vaguely then it kind of does. Humans love to search for meaning in things and if someone suggests something to you as a fact you're likely convince yourself of it too. Like when people blow smoke through grave yards and photograph it and then point out "spirits disturbing the smoke because a swirl in it looks a bit like a face". Plus couple that with the fact that darker imagery is becoming more popular at the moment and I think it's one of the most unconvincing arguments I think I've heard in a while

[nicenice]

danrev, you need to learn what the definition of occult actually is

and so what if a heavy metal drummer directed the video? if anything, that adds more weight
seeing as a lot of metal peeps are satanists
and just cos he's named as the main director, doesn't mean the people financing it weren't like "you need to put this in"
your all so stupid to think the actually named person is the main input, it's always the financiers, in this case the label

Satanism in metal is, for the majority, all about the image.

[Pistonsbeneath]

so you dont believe in freemasonry then?

and the history behind the knights templar and its links to masons?

even if you dont believe in the illuminati man those above are in the official history books lol

and they have all kinds of occult shit entwined in the very backbone of their beliefs and they held more power than kings and popes..freemasons still exist and they still have grand masters and they dress up in occult clothing so maybe they still do some of those things???

you ever seen eyes wide shut?

oh and theres things like this

Yes I do believe in freemasonry, and given that many powerful people maybe be in them, maybe they do have a little say in the ruling of the US. I can't jump from here to putting satanic messages in Lady GaGa videos though. To me that's an illegitimate jump, another key facet of the religous mind.

And I have a general idea of the links between the templar and the masons. Again, to go from this to Lady GaGa seems an illegitimate jump.

These just seem like assorted facts from history that combine to help inform your assumption that there is an illuminati.



Can you please answer my question now? What would make you drop your belief? If you really can't find anything then all you have is faith.

i CAN find lots of things though lol thats the point...what are you basing all your beliefs on?

as i said there is documented history of this kind of shit going way way back....you can easily find out about ancient templar stuff and its link to lodges that first popped up over here in scotland...there is no smoke without fire and the amount of smoke im seeing right now is choking...

again as i said i think you dont want to see this stuff (you and others) so you listen to official sources and we are open to it (i dont believe everything ffs) and choose to listen to a wider variety of sources..ridiculing a source because its not on a news channel controlled by the few is for me ignorant & blind

I don't consider myself as someone that has tunnel vision on this and im sure you dont either but to either side thats the way it seems clearly

i recommend reading the holy blood and the holy grail as if nothing else you should find it interesting....this book shook the church to its core and exposed so much...there were shorts that were on bbc in the 70s but nothing like that is allowed on tv now...now theyve made it into a movie so the original factual researched book cannot be taken seriously

[nicenice]

That picture of Goldfrapp and the owl is fucking sexy as.

People aren't looking at the bigger picture. There's something that would make people want to use music videos to control people. That the people behind these music videos have an abundance off.

[wolf89]

danrev, you need to learn what the definition of occult actually is

and so what if a heavy metal drummer directed the video? if anything, that adds more weight
seeing as a lot of metal peeps are satanists
and just cos he's named as the main director, doesn't mean the people financing it weren't like "you need to put this in"
your all so stupid to think the actually named person is the main input, it's always the financiers, in this case the label

Satanism in metal is, for the majority, all about the image.

and Lady Gaga is mainly about image....

[nicenice]

danrev, you need to learn what the definition of occult actually is

and so what if a heavy metal drummer directed the video? if anything, that adds more weight
seeing as a lot of metal peeps are satanists
and just cos he's named as the main director, doesn't mean the people financing it weren't like "you need to put this in"
your all so stupid to think the actually named person is the main input, it's always the financiers, in this case the label

Satanism in metal is, for the majority, all about the image.

and Lady Gaga is mainly about image....

So?

[wolf89]

danrev, you need to learn what the definition of occult actually is

and so what if a heavy metal drummer directed the video? if anything, that adds more weight
seeing as a lot of metal peeps are satanists
and just cos he's named as the main director, doesn't mean the people financing it weren't like "you need to put this in"
your all so stupid to think the actually named person is the main input, it's always the financiers, in this case the label

Satanism in metal is, for the majority, all about the image.

and Lady Gaga is mainly about image....

So?

So I think that's why the shit is in the video.

[bright maroon]

billy joel...Glass Houses - It's still rock and roll to me?

all of this - is just the ultimate vegas re-sell

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[nicenice]

I doubt it.

The image sells to the conscious, but what about the subconscious. The media spends millions of dollars researching psychology.

[amick]

hahaha 6 pages of shite about a Lady Gaga video. Pull your skirts up fella's.

[bright maroon]

Busom Buddies?

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When are these musician going to stop being super clever and makes some decent music.

It's the rip and run people - they are ruining music - for the masses.

They are creating legions of stupid children - just to scorn them on the upside..
It is evil.

[hackman]

I mean it's like saying that Another One Bites The Dust by Queen is just a branwashing song for smoking weed because if you reverse it and someone tells you it sounds a bit like "it's fun to smoke marijuana" is being said vaguely then it kind of does.

that is a ridiculous thing to say

[magma]

I'm not going to get into the argument about symbolism... but despite it being a weak song, if music videos had been that good when I was a teenager I might have actually watched a few.

I can't work out whether I want to hide in the corner or have a wank.

[wolf89]

I mean it's like saying that Another One Bites The Dust by Queen is just a branwashing song for smoking weed because if you reverse it and someone tells you it sounds a bit like "it's fun to smoke marijuana" is being said vaguely then it kind of does.

that is a ridiculous thing to say

Some of the videos people claim shit's in is about as flimsy. What I mean is the whole someone tells you it looks/sounds like something and because of that you go "yeah, I can see that!" even though it's so vague it's just because someone's told you to look for it.

[hackman]

I mean it's like saying that Another One Bites The Dust by Queen is just a branwashing song for smoking weed because if you reverse it and someone tells you it sounds a bit like "it's fun to smoke marijuana" is being said vaguely then it kind of does.

that is a ridiculous thing to say

Some of the videos people claim shit's in is about as flimsy. What I mean is the whole someone tells you it looks/sounds like something and because of that you go "yeah, I can see that!" even though it's so vague it's just because someone's told you to look for it.

that's wrong on so many levels
your basically trying to tell me how i think or make judgements