Splitting my basslines int Hi, Mid and Lo...help?

[yamaz]

Bump looking for pros and cons of freq. splitting using either audio busses vs send/returns..

[Depone]

Bump looking for pros and cons of freq. splitting using either audio busses vs send/returns..

same diference no?

[krispy]

Thanks very much for all your replies guys!!

Found this video which is also very helpful for anyone wanting to know more about it...

That video was really awesome, nice one

I learnt like 5 new things watching that

[krispy]

lil tip from the pros

Use a multi-band Compressor or limiter to split.
1. Send one instruments sound to 3-4 aux busses.
2.Add just ONE MB Comp or limiter to the original, turn sends off for now. make your 3-4 bands of splittage, soloing each band to make sure they are splitting at the desired frequencies.
3.Now copy and paste this compressor/limiter to each of the sends, soloing one band at a time, making sure you dont touch the bands this time else you will fudge its phase up.
4. Bypass the original MP Comp/Limiter, turn sends on again, turn off the output from the original synth/instrument. then buss all the 3-4 sends back together again into one channel. Now if done correctly, the split and merge should sound near identical to the original before the split.

Effect each band as desired and enjoy

Is there a multi-band compressor vst or how can it be done with ableton 7 if i dont have multiband dynamics plugin

[Basic A]

lil tip from the pros

Use a multi-band Compressor or limiter to split.
1. Send one instruments sound to 3-4 aux busses.
2.Add just ONE MB Comp or limiter to the original, turn sends off for now. make your 3-4 bands of splittage, soloing each band to make sure they are splitting at the desired frequencies.
3.Now copy and paste this compressor/limiter to each of the sends, soloing one band at a time, making sure you dont touch the bands this time else you will fudge its phase up.
4. Bypass the original MP Comp/Limiter, turn sends on again, turn off the output from the original synth/instrument. then buss all the 3-4 sends back together again into one channel. Now if done correctly, the split and merge should sound near identical to the original before the split.

Effect each band as desired and enjoy

Is there a multi-band compressor vst or how can it be done with ableton 7 if i dont have multiband dynamics plugin

If ableton doesnt have a MB comp...

thats sad.

[Dark Reign]

Thank you guys so much!! This has been one of the best threads ever, splitting is the shit.

[major zero]

here is a splitting and spreading rack i built awhile back for ableton 8. uses multiband for splitting, and some chorus, phaser, etc etc...

**can't figure out how to upload on the forum like at other forums... not possible maybe? anyhow it is in my dropbox for a small time being... cheers.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1016695/%2Bverb ... 20boom.adg

id then hipass this around 110-150 and layer in a sub... fun stuff.

big thanks to depone... i downloaded his MB template for logic many moons ago and got the idea from him re: multiband. it is seriously guys, the way to go. zero phase issues with crossover points on various eqs!

where might i save this template to?

wicked thread guys, most useful. cheers

[grooki]

Great thread, very interesting. I generally do Paradigm's method of splitting the bline, but I Depone's method sounds very interesting too. I might start a thread about Multiband Compressors. Maybe I'll search first

[Dark Reign]

lil tip from the pros

Use a multi-band Compressor or limiter to split.
1. Send one instruments sound to 3-4 aux busses.
2.Add just ONE MB Comp or limiter to the original, turn sends off for now. make your 3-4 bands of splittage, soloing each band to make sure they are splitting at the desired frequencies.
3.Now copy and paste this compressor/limiter to each of the sends, soloing one band at a time, making sure you dont touch the bands this time else you will fudge its phase up.
4. Bypass the original MP Comp/Limiter, turn sends on again, turn off the output from the original synth/instrument. then buss all the 3-4 sends back together again into one channel. Now if done correctly, the split and merge should sound near identical to the original before the split.

Effect each band as desired and enjoy

Thanks for this. But 1 question

What are the best effects to add to each band? Like to phatten up the bass sound? Ive got a nice reece re-sampled and split to 3 channels. Just would like some tips on the best way to go about it. I read another thread on this but cant find it.

[ENNO]

lil tip from the pros

Use a multi-band Compressor or limiter to split.
1. Send one instruments sound to 3-4 aux busses.
2.Add just ONE MB Comp or limiter to the original, turn sends off for now. make your 3-4 bands of splittage, soloing each band to make sure they are splitting at the desired frequencies.
3.Now copy and paste this compressor/limiter to each of the sends, soloing one band at a time, making sure you dont touch the bands this time else you will fudge its phase up.
4. Bypass the original MP Comp/Limiter, turn sends on again, turn off the output from the original synth/instrument. then buss all the 3-4 sends back together again into one channel. Now if done correctly, the split and merge should sound near identical to the original before the split.

Effect each band as desired and enjoy

Thanks for this. But 1 question

What are the best effects to add to each band? Like to phatten up the bass sound? Ive got a nice reece re-sampled and split to 3 channels. Just would like some tips on the best way to go about it. I read another thread on this but cant find it.

+1

Most of the commen effects seem to make the bassline thinner like flanger and chorus....a nudge in the right direction of how to make a bigger sound by splitting the frequencies would be nice

[Depone]

lil tip from the pros

Use a multi-band Compressor or limiter to split.
1. Send one instruments sound to 3-4 aux busses.
2.Add just ONE MB Comp or limiter to the original, turn sends off for now. make your 3-4 bands of splittage, soloing each band to make sure they are splitting at the desired frequencies.
3.Now copy and paste this compressor/limiter to each of the sends, soloing one band at a time, making sure you dont touch the bands this time else you will fudge its phase up.
4. Bypass the original MP Comp/Limiter, turn sends on again, turn off the output from the original synth/instrument. then buss all the 3-4 sends back together again into one channel. Now if done correctly, the split and merge should sound near identical to the original before the split.

Effect each band as desired and enjoy

Thanks for this. But 1 question

What are the best effects to add to each band? Like to phatten up the bass sound? Ive got a nice reece re-sampled and split to 3 channels. Just would like some tips on the best way to go about it. I read another thread on this but cant find it.

+1

Most of the commen effects seem to make the bassline thinner like flanger and chorus....a nudge in the right direction of how to make a bigger sound by splitting the frequencies would be nice

Once you have split the sound, for me, its the idea of re-inforcing whats already there. I dont want to drastically change the bass by adding quite cheesy effects like flanger or phaser. SO i will normally use diferent distortion plugins or tape saturation emulations. To make the bass wider, to the highs and a little bit from the mids i will use an Aux send from these, sending the desired amount to a slow oscillating chorus, just enough so you dont hear it 'churn' the sound.
Hope this helped a bit

[ENNO]

It did, thanks very much

[narrator]

some great insight in here.

there was one thing i was wondering. would you just just the 1 instance of a synth for all 3 splits?
the reason i ask is because all 3 of the osc's on my main bass are digital waves so i was curious to know would you duplicate your main bass and change it to 1 osc set to sine or sine/square switching off any effects and reducing the number voices for the sub??

[Depone]

some great insight in here.

there was one thing i was wondering. would you just just the 1 instance of a synth for all 3 splits?
the reason i ask is because all 3 of the osc's on my main bass are digital waves so i was curious to know would you duplicate your main bass and change it to 1 osc set to sine or sine/square switching off any effects and reducing the number voices for the sub??

It depends on the material at hand! If the sub is nice and rich, then use it. If its a bit of a mess in the lower (100hz or less) range then personally I use a separate sine sub and filter the main bass (or turn off the sub split).

[goanalogbaby]

When you guys use multiband dynamics to split the frequencies, do you also have a dry channel? I know that other people that use similar techniques do use a fourth dry channel to help fill the sound.

[krispy]

Thanks very much for all your replies guys!!

Found this video which is also very helpful for anyone wanting to know more about it...

If im splitting freq's according to this video method
Do I have to worry about the low end of my bass frequency interfering with my sub bass? Or is the sub-bass freq so low that it wouldn't interfere?
Say I have a lowpass of 80hz on my sub... and then I have a lowpass of 150hz on my low part of my bassline. Won't these 2 mess each other up or is the sub bass so low that it doesn't matter?


OR once I have my bassline split into three would I still EQ the bassline as a whole, for example, highpass it from 80hz and above