30 Little Known Facts about America

[treble hertz]

so what.


we got these mother fuckers

My god, it's like you actually get stupider with each new post.

you act like you're getting angry with each post.

[treble hertz]

[helix]

yes refugees come from all around the world to work hard & make some decent money,
they work harder than any natural born citizen & get treated like shit.

Actually, people get treated like shit.
It has little to do with race, it has to do with class.

[Sirius]

i have no qualms about opportunity...
I do however have a major dislike to radical capitalism.
its seems that every american i have meet is an apologist,
forever apologizing for their governments agenda!

The 1 thing i love about america is the music that was come out of that place!!
CHEA

[Sirius]

lol that looks like an al qa'ida poster!! hahhahha, i like it

[treble hertz]

I do however have a major dislike to radical capitalism.
its seems that every american i have meet is an apologist,
forever apologizing for their governments agenda!

CHEA

Radical capitalism?? wtf is that? a person who is successful at their business??

exactly... all these whiney little liberal spoiled brats running around apologizing for their "cultural oppression".... fucking bullshit.

Well... Sirius, here is one American who ain't sorry for shit that never happened.

[alien pimp]

Although it would still be well worth checking the references just incase anything is open to subjective interpretation or taken out of context. Amazing to see what people take for granted and overlook though which i think, whether all of this is 100% true or not, this video brings up nicely. People are socialised into accepting a percieved status quo and never ask questions beyond that.

this is what the thread is about
i don't have the time to go deeper into it, waiting from helpful inputs

[helix]

I do however have a major dislike to radical capitalism.
its seems that every american i have meet is an apologist,
forever apologizing for their governments agenda!

CHEA

Radical capitalism?? wtf is that? a person who is successful at their business??

exactly... all these whiney little liberal spoiled brats running around apologizing for their "cultural oppression".... fucking bullshit.

Well... Sirius, here is one American who ain't sorry for shit that never happened.

You're a joke.

[DRTY]

I had a very brief look at the vid, the impression I get is that it's either horribly cherry picked or just full on made up.

It's so hard to research anything that conspiracy theorists talk about because they do it to the extent that you cannot actually find the original cited material (if it actually exists), and weirdly they never actually link to it. Generally, they learn how to correctly cite sources, then make their own ones up or alter real ones to cloud the source making it impossible for anyone to research their precious thoeries

Managed to find something relevant though on another forum though:

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Originally Posted by Christophera View Post
1. The IRS is not a U.S. Government Agency. It is an Agency of the IMF. (Diversified Metal Products v. IRS et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I., Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967, Reorganization Plan No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)

<snip lots of cites from some conspiracy website>

I know that this will come as a shock to some, but absolutely none of these cites say what Chris claims they do. In fact, most of the cites are just wrong - they cannot be found at all using the information given or they are referred to by their bill jacket number instead of their statutory citation.

For example:

Quote:
14. New York City is defined in the Federal Regulations as the United Nations. Rudolph Gulliani stated on C-Span that "New York City was the capital of the World" and he was correct. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2)

There is no Chapter 111 of Title 20. The correct citation would be 20 CFR 422.103. However, when you get to that cite, you see that Title 20 is Employees' Benefits and the 400's deal with the Social Security Administration.

422.103(b)(2)(2) actually says: "SSA may enter into an agreement with a State, including, for this purpose, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and New York City, to establish, as part of the official birth registration process, a procedure to assist SSA in assigning social security numbers to newborn children."

Basically, the only reason New York City is mentioned is to allow the city to have a different procedure for assigning social security numbers than the rest of New York State. There's nothing about the UN in this rather innocuous regulatory passage.

Quote:
6. The FCC, CIA, FBI, NASA and all of the other alphabet gangs were never part of the United States government. Even though the "US Government" held shares of stock in the various Agencies. (U.S. V. Strang , 254 US 491, Lewis v. US, 680 F.2d, 1239)

Amazingly, neither of these cases comes anywhere close to saying this. U.S. v. Strang stood for the proposition that a corporation (in that case the Fleet Corporation) whose stock was held by the government was not a government agent. It said nothing about government agencies which were not organized as separate corporations. In any event, the case was decided in 1921 and I'm pretty sure it hasn't been good law since the 1930s. The Post Office and the TVA are now considered more government than private.

Lewis v. U.S. was a 1982 case stating that the each Federal Reserve Bank is not a federal agency but an independant company whose stock is owned by the local area banks.

Quote:
The most powerful court in America is not the United States Supreme Court but, the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania. (42 Pa.C.S.A. 502)

This organizing statute just provides that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court shall have supreme judicial power in Pennsylvania consistent with the state's constitution. The writers of the law picked a strange way to say it, though:

"The Supreme Court shall have and exercise the powers vested in it by the Constitution of Pennsylvania, including the power generally to minister justice to all persons and to exercise the powers of the court, as fully and amply, to all intents and purposes, as the justices of the Court of King's Bench, Common Pleas and Exchequer, at Westminster, or any of them, could or might do on May 22, 1722."

I guess May 22, 1722 was a good day for justice in England.

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^Thats post#52 here: http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p= ... stcount=52

He seems to be right because what he's saying can easily be found, take the first quote for example, and compare what the video says, to what the actual document says, seem to be somewhat different lol.

http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/cfr20/422/422-0103.htm

Hope this helps AP!

[treble hertz]

I do however have a major dislike to radical capitalism.
its seems that every american i have meet is an apologist,
forever apologizing for their governments agenda!

CHEA

Radical capitalism?? wtf is that? a person who is successful at their business??

exactly... all these whiney little liberal spoiled brats running around apologizing for their "cultural oppression".... fucking bullshit.

Well... Sirius, here is one American who ain't sorry for shit that never happened.

You're a joke.

And you're one of those "apologetic types".

Don't you realize that people in other countries are laughing behind your back? Saying things like "stupid Americans.. got it so good, then they run around apologizing for it" "hahaha"

[treble hertz]

Anyone see the Chinese running around apologizing for what China has achieved?

Grow a set.

[helix]

I'm done with this trollfest.

[nicenice]

Troll Hertz

[helix]

Troll Hertz

That's what I'm hoping.

[treble hertz]

[alien pimp]

I had a very brief look at the vid, the impression I get is that it's either horribly cherry picked or just full on made up.

It's so hard to research anything that conspiracy theorists talk about because they do it to the extent that you cannot actually find the original cited material (if it actually exists), and weirdly they never actually link to it. Generally, they learn how to correctly cite sources, then make their own ones up or alter real ones to cloud the source making it impossible for anyone to research their precious thoeries

Managed to find something relevant though on another forum though:

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Originally Posted by Christophera View Post
1. The IRS is not a U.S. Government Agency. It is an Agency of the IMF. (Diversified Metal Products v. IRS et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I., Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967, Reorganization Plan No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)

<snip lots of cites from some conspiracy website>

I know that this will come as a shock to some, but absolutely none of these cites say what Chris claims they do. In fact, most of the cites are just wrong - they cannot be found at all using the information given or they are referred to by their bill jacket number instead of their statutory citation.

For example:

Quote:
14. New York City is defined in the Federal Regulations as the United Nations. Rudolph Gulliani stated on C-Span that "New York City was the capital of the World" and he was correct. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2)

There is no Chapter 111 of Title 20. The correct citation would be 20 CFR 422.103. However, when you get to that cite, you see that Title 20 is Employees' Benefits and the 400's deal with the Social Security Administration.

422.103(b)(2)(2) actually says: "SSA may enter into an agreement with a State, including, for this purpose, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and New York City, to establish, as part of the official birth registration process, a procedure to assist SSA in assigning social security numbers to newborn children."

Basically, the only reason New York City is mentioned is to allow the city to have a different procedure for assigning social security numbers than the rest of New York State. There's nothing about the UN in this rather innocuous regulatory passage.

Quote:
6. The FCC, CIA, FBI, NASA and all of the other alphabet gangs were never part of the United States government. Even though the "US Government" held shares of stock in the various Agencies. (U.S. V. Strang , 254 US 491, Lewis v. US, 680 F.2d, 1239)

Amazingly, neither of these cases comes anywhere close to saying this. U.S. v. Strang stood for the proposition that a corporation (in that case the Fleet Corporation) whose stock was held by the government was not a government agent. It said nothing about government agencies which were not organized as separate corporations. In any event, the case was decided in 1921 and I'm pretty sure it hasn't been good law since the 1930s. The Post Office and the TVA are now considered more government than private.

Lewis v. U.S. was a 1982 case stating that the each Federal Reserve Bank is not a federal agency but an independant company whose stock is owned by the local area banks.

Quote:
The most powerful court in America is not the United States Supreme Court but, the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania. (42 Pa.C.S.A. 502)

This organizing statute just provides that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court shall have supreme judicial power in Pennsylvania consistent with the state's constitution. The writers of the law picked a strange way to say it, though:

"The Supreme Court shall have and exercise the powers vested in it by the Constitution of Pennsylvania, including the power generally to minister justice to all persons and to exercise the powers of the court, as fully and amply, to all intents and purposes, as the justices of the Court of King's Bench, Common Pleas and Exchequer, at Westminster, or any of them, could or might do on May 22, 1722."

I guess May 22, 1722 was a good day for justice in England.

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^Thats post#52 here: http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p= ... stcount=52

He seems to be right because what he's saying can easily be found, take the first quote for example, and compare what the video says, to what the actual document says, seem to be somewhat different lol.

http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/cfr20/422/422-0103.htm

Hope this helps AP!

this is the kind of input i was looking for, cheers!
i object to things like "There's nothing about the UN in this rather innocuous regulatory passage" as it wasn't even supposed to be there, i expect you to ask why has NY a special regime, that's the question raised there and further down the line, after connecting the rest of the dots, supposedly the answer leads to UN or another entities...
i also expect you to not use the cancer of any investigation, statements like "it's considered...", especially when what's considered is exactly the subject of the investigation
i hope you catch my drift

[alien pimp]

Troll Hertz

That's what I'm hoping.

even if he was a troll, which i don't think so, be sure each country has a solid set of drones like him, and us especially has developed a greenhouse for them

[knell]

i prefer the cheese thread

[DRTY]

this is the kind of input i was looking for, cheers!
i object to things like "There's nothing about the UN in this rather innocuous regulatory passage" as it wasn't even supposed to be there, i expect you to ask why has NY a special regime, that's the question raised there and further down the line, after connecting the rest of the dots, supposedly the answer leads to UN or another entities...
i also expect you to not use the cancer of any investigation, statements like "it's considered...", especially when what's considered is exactly the subject of the investigation
i hope you catch my drift

Did you catch this bit; "the only reason New York City is mentioned is to allow the city to have a different procedure for assigning social security numbers than the rest of New York State".

If you check the original document, the entire thing doesn't mention the United Nations let alone that clause.

http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/cfr20/422/422-0103.htm

I do catch your drift

[Sirius]

i prefer the cheese thread

why? this thread has way more cheese in it