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Re: 30 Little Known Facts about America

Post by alien pimp » Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:10 pm

DRTY wrote:
alien pimp wrote:
this is the kind of input i was looking for, cheers!
i object to things like "There's nothing about the UN in this rather innocuous regulatory passage" as it wasn't even supposed to be there, i expect you to ask why has NY a special regime, that's the question raised there and further down the line, after connecting the rest of the dots, supposedly the answer leads to UN or another entities...
i also expect you to not use the cancer of any investigation, statements like "it's considered...", especially when what's considered is exactly the subject of the investigation
i hope you catch my drift
Did you catch this bit; "the only reason New York City is mentioned is to allow the city to have a different procedure for assigning social security numbers than the rest of New York State".

If you check the original document, the entire thing doesn't mention the United Nations let alone that clause.

http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/cfr20/422/422-0103.htm

I do catch your drift :t:
why "to allow the city to have a different procedure for assigning social security numbers than the rest of New York State"?
why UN not being mentioned equals UN not being involved?
not saying they are, saying this is how you should ask your questions to get real answers, not answers that keep you in the comfort of believing there's nothing threatening you beyond that

cuz why do people easily accept threats like osama and not like obama?
because they seem to understand the first without bothering much about it and it appears they have no reason to feel guilty about it
few have the balls to think about the risks of being wrong.
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Re: 30 Little Known Facts about America

Post by treble hertz » Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:19 pm

Some people want to protest just for the sake of protesting. They don't even care what side they are on. Completely ignorant to facts. Always searching for an answer in something not there. Compensating for their own short-comings and failures, looking for a successful person to follow.

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Re: 30 Little Known Facts about America

Post by nicenice » Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:33 pm

Your fucking boring now.

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Re: 30 Little Known Facts about America

Post by DRTY » Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:00 pm

alien pimp wrote:
cuz why do people easily accept threats like osama and not like obama?
because they seem to understand the first without bothering much about it and it appears they have no reason to feel guilty about it
few have the balls to think about the risks of being wrong.
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Because Osama is a terrorist and Obama is a President.

I know you'll say "that's what they want you to think" because that's more likely what you believe due to a self doctrination of biased and unreliable evidence.

I'm happy to look at all sides of all arguments, I used to subscribe to alot of the stuff conspiracy theorists say, first time I watched Zeitgeist I actually believed it etc etc, it's so easy to fall into their traps that's exactly what they're intended to do, to make you part of their cult and BUY their books, and give their websites hits (revenue) and spread the 'truth' so more people do so, and then they tell their friends, it's all friendly eh, not for profit of course. Once you've started believing some of these things it's so easy to just buy into others without even questioning them. You have to be careful.

The video shows no REAL evidence, even the website they link to doesn't exist let alone the papers they mention, you just end up in a horrible loop hole through conspiracy websites all going on about how bad it is, but no one actually questioning the claimants evidence!

You have to understand that I couldn't give a shit if Obama was part of some grand conspiracy or not, I really couldn't care less. So if someone shows me that he is, with good verifiable evidence to back up the claim, then I'd happily buy it!

Your quote "all about sleeping well while being raped", I'm guessing you're implying that I'm being raped by 'the system' because I don't know 'the truth'. But think about that for a second. If anyone is losing out it's the conspiracy theorists! They're wasting their precious lives rolling around in these ridiculous made up stories and forcing them on to other people (as all conspiracy theorists do) in an attempt to get them in on the 'truth', it's like a virus, a stupid meme made to waste people's time and money. It's like a cult, it's no better than scientology. It's disgusting.

However saying that, conspiracy theorists are very interesting people, the psychology behind it is really interesting. Doesn't matter though, I guess all the papers and articles written about it were made by 'the system' anyway.
alien pimp wrote: why "to allow the city to have a different procedure for assigning social security numbers than the rest of New York State"?
I don't know read it! I'm sure there's a reason, maybe it's because there'd be a hell of a lot more people in New York City than New York State. I don't know the reasons behind the US's Social Security Policies. I don't really need to!
alien pimp wrote: why UN not being mentioned equals UN not being involved?
Well it doesn't mention the UN so why would they be involved? It has nothing to do with the UN, the only people claiming it does are the makers of this video and their sheep, the burden of evidence for that is on them! They've claimed something so they have to prove it. I really don't know why they said it to create the agenda they require I'd imagine.

I'm not a lawyer and I don't know anything about law, but this document is about social security numbers and how they are created by the looks of it.

To clarify; this is the original:
Birth registration document. SSA may enter into an agreement with officials of a State, including, for this purpose, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and New York City, to establish, as part of the official birth registration process, a procedure to assist SSA in assigning social security numbers to newborn children. Where an agreement is in effect, a parent, as part of the official birth registration process, need not complete a form SS-5 and may request that SSA assign a social security number to the newborn child.
and this is what the video claims it says (and they 'quoted' it; atleast that's what their 'citation' says).
New York City is defined in the Federal Regulations as the United Nations. Rudolph Gulliani stated on C-Span that "New York City was the capital of the World" and he was correct.
Pretty different. The only mutual information there is the words 'New York City'.

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Re: 30 Little Known Facts about America

Post by alien pimp » Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:16 pm

mate, sorry, i'm above such level of debate, no personal attack, i just can't right now waste time with stuff like
DRTY wrote: Because Osama is a terrorist and Obama is a President.

I'm sure there's a reason :?: , maybe it's because there'd be a hell of a lot more people in New York City than New York State. I don't know the reasons behind the US's Social Security Policies. I don't really need to!

Well it doesn't mention the UN so why would they be involved?

the burden of evidence
i mean
who said a president and/or a state can't be a terrorist? us surely claimed the opposite several times
what clear facts make one a terrorist and the other one not?

evidence is no burden, this imbecile cliche does apply in court only, where there are two conflicting parties and one of them has interest in claiming there are no evidences, even if they exist, are you in that position? i think here we all should be interested in evidence and look for it once there is any bit of reasonable hints there might be some

this all the effort i can make with this line of debate you're following
but i appreciate you taking a shot at it, everyone who cares should do it
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Re: 30 Little Known Facts about America

Post by DRTY » Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:12 pm

alien pimp wrote:
i mean
who said a president and/or a state can't be a terrorist? us surely claimed the opposite several times
what clear facts make one a terrorist and the other one not?

evidence is no burden, this imbecile cliche does apply in court only where there are two conflicting parties and one of them has interest in claiming there are no evidences, even if they exist, are you in that position? i think here we all should be interested in evidence and look for it once there is any bit of reasonable hints there might be some

this all the effort i can make with this line of debate you're following
but i appreciate you taking a shot at it, everyone who cares should do it
now it sounds almost semantic.

The actual definition of Terrorist is one thing, but our personal meanings are another entirely.

I would consider Osama Bin Laden a terrorist as he knowingly and intentionally slays innocent people that oppose his beliefs, he opposes sex, jews, technology, music, etc, if he had his own way then he would kill anyone and everyone that opposed him by any means necessary. Anyone is entitled to ANY beliefs obviously, it is the way in which you force those beliefs onto others that I consider terrorism.

I'm not claiming Obama is squeeky clean AP, he has blood on his hands, but he is not part of some grand conpsiracy.

The fact is, there is no clear facts that define a terrorist, that's a well known fact. Internationally there is no agreement on what a terrorist is in clear cut facts.

When I say 'the burden of evidence', I'm not implying evidence is a burden literally, the phrase means that one party has to supply evidence to support their case (be it in a court of law or not), generally it is the person claiming something that has 'the burden of evidence' and I think that's perfectly reasonable.

If I were to say, Alien Pimp, I believe you have a vagina AND a penis, then I quite rightly should have to prove it, afterall I am the one making the claim! It should not be down to you to disprove my claim. (even though in this case it would be as easy as flopping your genetalia out).

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Re: 30 Little Known Facts about America

Post by alien pimp » Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:28 pm

DRTY wrote:
alien pimp wrote:
i mean
who said a president and/or a state can't be a terrorist? us surely claimed the opposite several times
what clear facts make one a terrorist and the other one not?

evidence is no burden, this imbecile cliche does apply in court only where there are two conflicting parties and one of them has interest in claiming there are no evidences, even if they exist, are you in that position? i think here we all should be interested in evidence and look for it once there is any bit of reasonable hints there might be some

this all the effort i can make with this line of debate you're following
but i appreciate you taking a shot at it, everyone who cares should do it
now it sounds almost semantic.

The actual definition of Terrorist is one thing, but our personal meanings are another entirely.

I would consider Osama Bin Laden a terrorist as he knowingly and intentionally slays innocent people that oppose his beliefs, he opposes sex, jews, technology, music, etc, if he had his own way then he would kill anyone and everyone that opposed him by any means necessary. Anyone is entitled to ANY beliefs obviously, it is the way in which you force those beliefs onto others that I consider terrorism.

I'm not claiming Obama is squeeky clean AP, he has blood on his hands, but he is not part of some grand conpsiracy.

The fact is, there is no clear facts that define a terrorist, that's a well known fact. Internationally there is no agreement on what a terrorist is in clear cut facts.

When I say 'the burden of evidence', I'm not implying evidence is a burden literally, the phrase means that one party has to supply evidence to support their case (be it in a court of law or not), generally it is the person claiming something that has 'the burden of evidence' and I think that's perfectly reasonable.

If I were to say, Alien Pimp, I believe you have a vagina AND a penis, then I quite rightly should have to prove it, afterall I am the one making the claim! It should not be down to you to disprove my claim. (even though in this case it would be as easy as flopping your genetalia out).
who mentioned/cares about our personal definitions of terrorist?
if there are no common grounds and no proper definitions for a terrorist, why do you call people terrorists? why don't you call them uncle-fuckers based on some personal definition that you and only you work by it?
how's your personal definition of a thing helping any debate, knowingly in order to communicate you need to use the same code (aka language)?

who established he's not part of a big conspiracy? what's the grounds for such prejudice when you start "investigating the truth"?
if you are truly interested in the truth you don't let "the burden of evidence" on someone else, no matter how literally you take the expression. and if the other one is not able to provide evidence, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist and you can call the case closed, therefore burden of evidence as a method works actually only for those interested in hiding evidence.

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Re: 30 Little Known Facts about America

Post by nicenice » Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:31 pm

You can't prove anything.

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Post by particle-jim » Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:32 pm

nicenice wrote:You can't prove anything.
in a philosophical sense nobody can "prove" anything
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Re: 30 Little Known Facts about America

Post by alien pimp » Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:38 pm

then nobody proved any of your points either, whatever they might be, so on what do you rely when saying anything and making judgments?
why don't you just lobotomize yourself and drain all knowledge out of your brain, as it can't be proven and it only seems to stand in your way?
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Re: 30 Little Known Facts about America

Post by DRTY » Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:47 pm

alien pimp wrote:
who mentioned/cares about our personal definitions of terrorist?
if there are no common grounds and no proper definitions for a terrorist, why do you call people terrorists? why don't you call them uncle-fuckers based on some personal definition that you and only you work by it?
how's your personal definition of a thing helping any debate, knowingly in order to communicate you need to use the same code (aka language)?

who established he's not part of a big conspiracy? what's the grounds for such prejudice when you start "investigating the truth"?
if you are truly interested in the truth you don't let "the burden of evidence" on someone else, no matter how literally you take the expression. and if the other one is not able to provide evidence, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist and you can call the case closed, therefore burden of evidence as a method works actually only for those interested in hiding evidence.

think :!:
I was replying to this "who said a president and/or a state can't be a terrorist?" and this "what clear facts make one a terrorist and the other one not?".

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Re: 30 Little Known Facts about America

Post by alien pimp » Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:51 pm

DRTY wrote:
alien pimp wrote:
who mentioned/cares about our personal definitions of terrorist?
if there are no common grounds and no proper definitions for a terrorist, why do you call people terrorists? why don't you call them uncle-fuckers based on some personal definition that you and only you work by it?
how's your personal definition of a thing helping any debate, knowingly in order to communicate you need to use the same code (aka language)?

who established he's not part of a big conspiracy? what's the grounds for such prejudice when you start "investigating the truth"?
if you are truly interested in the truth you don't let "the burden of evidence" on someone else, no matter how literally you take the expression. and if the other one is not able to provide evidence, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist and you can call the case closed, therefore burden of evidence as a method works actually only for those interested in hiding evidence.

think :!:
I was replying to this "who said a president and/or a state can't be a terrorist?" and this "what clear facts make one a terrorist and the other one not?".
i got that, and i was pointing your answer opens other questions you won't be able to answer
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Re: 30 Little Known Facts about America

Post by feral witchchild » Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:55 pm

treble hertz wrote: you act like you're getting angry with each post. :lol: :lol: :lol:
No, but I will say that I hope that people don't assume most Americans are as idiotic as you when it comes to this kind of shit.

I mean, this video breaks down how this "country" you have so much faith in is a sham, and the best you can offer in response is a pic of some of our missiles?

I mean, I can't say if every single thing said in the video is true, but the US IS a corporation, our money is worth nothing, and we're all debt slaves to the Federal Reserve.

This isn't opinion, or liberal hysteria, it's the truth.
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Re: 30 Little Known Facts about America

Post by treble hertz » Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:19 pm

feral witchchild wrote:
treble hertz wrote: you act like you're getting angry with each post. :lol: :lol: :lol:
No, but I will say that I hope that people don't assume most Americans are as idiotic as you when it comes to this kind of shit.

I mean, this video breaks down how this "country" you have so much faith in is a sham, and the best you can offer in response is a pic of some of our missiles?

I mean, I can't say if every single thing said in the video is true, but the US IS a corporation, our money is worth nothing, and we're all debt slaves to the Federal Reserve.

This isn't opinion, or liberal hysteria, it's the truth.
America is about more than money. America is about its people, its ideas, its liberties and freedoms. If people are so displeased with America, the why not run for office or move out?

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Re: 30 Little Known Facts about America

Post by esfandyar » Tue Jul 06, 2010 2:23 am

treble hertz wrote:so what.


we got these mother fuckers



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Re: 30 Little Known Facts about America

Post by alien pimp » Tue Jul 06, 2010 2:27 am

blow me, blow me! :t:

anyone back on topic?
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Re: 30 Little Known Facts about America

Post by section5 » Tue Jul 06, 2010 2:40 am

alien pimp wrote: i keep quoting this old saying and forgetting the source:
"US is the horse and UK is the carriage"
it doesn't say anything about who's driving the carriage
lol, its the Chinese

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