Fashion and Feminism

[justinhonor]

I have been perusing the forums and I couldn't find any threads devoted to fashion or feminism so I created my own. As someone who considers herself a feminist but also a lover of fashion balancing the two is something which I have struggled with over the years. Sometimes I have questioned if fashion is feminist or if it isn't. So really what I want to know is do you think that fashion and feminism can co-exist? Do you think the fashion industry has helped empower women and the goals of the feminist movement?

[InvisibleMonsters]

Think youre on the wrong forum for this sort of conversation.

[faust.dtc]

Inb4LesbianRape

[knell]

a female on DSF?




either you havent been here long or you're a troll .... "justinhonor"

[the acid never lies]

Judith Orr and Nina Power are pretty interesting on this. Orr in particular talks about 'raunch culture' and how products and commodities are often wrapped in the ideals of feminism but ultimately it is a promotion of 'individuality' - freedom for he individual, or rather freedom for the individual to express themselves in a limited way. However, women are expected to dress and act a certain way more so than men (why do some women feel uncomfortable if they are not wearing makeup?) so no I don't think fashion is particularly empowering - however it's better than men dictating how 'modestly' a woman should dress.

[frank grimes jr.]

I have been perusing the forums and I couldn't find any threads devoted to music or misogyny so I created my own. As someone who considers himself a misogynist but also a lover of music balancing the two is something which I have struggled with over the years. Sometimes I have questioned if music is misogynist or if it isn't. So really what I want to know is do you think that music and misogynism can co-exist? Do you think the music industry has helped empower men and the goals of the misogynist movement?

[the acid never lies]

Well Frank, I would recommend you the writings of... no f*** it I can't keep this up

[bright maroon]

I just vomitted - pretty much alot

[the acid never lies]

Actually Power is good on this... http://www.amazon.co.uk/One-Dimensional ... 809&sr=1-1

[frank grimes jr.]

haha That Amazon review is priceless.
It uses the word pussyfooting in the first paragraph.

[firky]

I know this is a troll but if it it's not check out the most famous book on feminism:

"Maybe I don't have a pretty smile, good teeth, nice tits, long legs, a cheeky arse, a sexy voice. Maybe I don't know how to handle men and increase my market value, so that the rewards due to the feminine will accrue to me. Then again, maybe I'm sick of the masquerade. I'm sick of pretending eternal youth. I'm sick of belying my own intelligence, my own will, my own sex. I'm sick of peering at the world through false eyelashes, so everything I see is mixed with a shadow of bought hairs; I'm sick of weighting my head with a dead mane, unable to move my neck freely, terrified of rain, of wind, of dancing too vigorously in case I sweat into my lacquered curls. I'm sick of the Powder Room. I'm sick of pretending that some fatuous male's self-important pronouncements are the objects of my undivided attention, I'm sick of going to films and plays when someone else wants to, and sick of having no opinions of my own about either. I'm sick of being a transvestite. I refuse to be a female impersonator. I am a woman, not a castrate."

[the acid never lies]

Where's that from?

[kay]

Judith Orr and Nina Power are pretty interesting on this. Orr in particular talks about 'raunch culture' and how products and commodities are often wrapped in the ideals of feminism but ultimately it is a promotion of 'individuality' - freedom for he individual, or rather freedom for the individual to express themselves in a limited way. However, women are expected to dress and act a certain way more so than men (why do some women feel uncomfortable if they are not wearing makeup?) so no I don't think fashion is particularly empowering - however it's better than men dictating how 'modestly' a woman should dress.

Regardless of whether it's a troll, in response to this, at my work place the tables are turned. It's the guys who are expected and held to certain standards of dressing (eg tie, shirt, trousers) and the women just turn up wearing whatever they want really as long as it isn't too shabby.

[magma]

A troll gave me an excuse to post one of my favourite books:

[the acid never lies]

Judith Orr and Nina Power are pretty interesting on this. Orr in particular talks about 'raunch culture' and how products and commodities are often wrapped in the ideals of feminism but ultimately it is a promotion of 'individuality' - freedom for he individual, or rather freedom for the individual to express themselves in a limited way. However, women are expected to dress and act a certain way more so than men (why do some women feel uncomfortable if they are not wearing makeup?) so no I don't think fashion is particularly empowering - however it's better than men dictating how 'modestly' a woman should dress.

Regardless of whether it's a troll, in response to this, at my work place the tables are turned. It's the guys who are expected and held to certain standards of dressing (eg tie, shirt, trousers) and the women just turn up wearing whatever they want really as long as it isn't too shabby.

Political correctness gone meeeeeeeeeehd

[firky]

Where's that from?

The Female Eunuch

http://www.marxists.org/subject/women/a ... eunuch.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Female_Eunuch

[frank grimes jr.]

For the record; I'm not really a misogynist, I got over that horrible blood sucking tramp a long time ago.

[64hz]

hehe feminists just feel insecure.
they feel that they are inferior, therefore need to make a stand to reassure themselves that they are not.
rise of leftists etc.

[wolf89]

fashion and feminism.

two of the least relevant things to me ever.

[collige]

I'm just going to take this opportunity to say that there a few things more idiotic and rage-inducing in this world than radical feminism.