Major can of worms

[the acid never lies]

Rather strange passion... I mean it's not like say, a passion for helping disadvantaged youths or a passion for digging up ancient runes.

[HamCrescendo]

Yeah I know man. I got no hard feelings towards you, I dont like to hold grudges.

[seckle]

I challenge your sources just as I challenge mainstream sources. I express incredulity at incredible statements.

exactly.

[wolf89]

I challenge your sources just as I challenge mainstream sources. I express incredulity at incredible statements.

exactly.

yep

[parson]

SECKLE WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENED WITH THE PHOENIX LIGHTS?

SERIOUS QUESTION.

[parson]

it's really obvious how these guys are prepared to debunk the flimsy evidence but conveniently disregard the most blatant evidence

[the acid never lies]

Rumbled... NOT!

[frank grimes jr.]

There is a serious lack of worms in this thread.

[hackman]

[nowaysj]

So Hack, are you saying there is no empirical evidence of lizard people, but you have experienced them while astral projecting?

[hackman]

i haven't projected yet, it's a long process training yourself
those are the accounts of other people i know personally, and stuff i've read

[NAXDON]

We better call the MIB.

[kidshuffle]

i haven't projected yet, it's a long process training yourself
those are the accounts of other people i know personally, and stuff i've read

and what a tedious process it is

[the acid never lies]

We better call the MIB.

[parson]

ANL what do you think happened with the phoenix lights incident? are you capable of breaking your hypnotic trance long enough to consider the evidence?

[DRTY]

isn't 'phoenix lights' supposedly the most well documented 'alien UFO' sighting ever recorded? It's odd how with all those hours of footage recorded, and photographs taken there was still no actual sight of a vehicle of any sort.

[boxxy]

isn't 'phoenix lights' supposedly the most well documented 'alien UFO' sighting ever recorded? It's odd how with all those hours of footage recorded, and photographs taken there was still no actual sight of a vehicle of any sort.

i was thinking the same thing... this thing was covered twice (97 & 07) and documented by media, regular people, astronomers, police, etc... what's the deal? no explanation from the gov?

edit: Wiki Says:
There is some controversy as to how best to classify the reports on the night in question. Some are of the opinion that the differing nature of the eyewitness reports indicates that several unidentified objects were in the area, each of which was its own separate "event". This is largely dismissed by skeptics as an over-extrapolation from standard deviation common in necessarily subjective eyewitness accounts. The media and most skeptical investigators have largely preferred to split the sightings into two distinct classes, a first and second event, for which two separate explanations are offered:
The first event—the "V", which appeared over northern Arizona and gradually traveled south over nearly the entire length of the state, eventually passing south of Tucson—was the apparently "wedge-shaped" object reported by then-Governor Symington and many others. This event started at about 8:15 over the Prescott area, and was seen south of Tucson by about 8:45.
The second event was the set of nine lights falling behind the Sierra Estrella, a mountain ridge to the southwest of Phoenix, at around 10 pm. This was also observed by numerous people who may have thought they were seeing the same lights as those reported earlier.
Proponents of two separate events propose that the first event still has no provable explanation, but that some evidence exists that the lights were in fact airplanes. According to an article by reporter Janet Gonzales that appeared in the Phoenix New Times, videotape of the v shape shows the lights moving as separate entities, not as a single object; a phenomenon known as illusory contours can cause the human eye to see unconnected lines or dots as forming a single shape. Ortega also spoke with amateur astronomer Mitch Stanley, who was outside that night using a Dobsonian telescope, which yielded a view 60 times the magnification of the human eye. According to Stanley, the lights were quite clearly individual airplanes; a companion who was with him recalled asking Stanley at the time what the lights were, and he said, "Planes".[18] However, no pilots have yet been found who admit to flying such a formation that night, and many witnesses continue to insist that they actually saw the entire object blocking the stars.
The second event has been more thoroughly covered by the media, due in part to the military's backing of the explanation. The USAF explained the second event as slow falling, long burning flares dropped by an A-10 Warthog aircraft on a training exercise over Luke Air Force Base. An investigation by Luke AFB itself also came to this conclusion and declared the case "solved".[citation needed]
Air National Guard pilot, Lt. Col. Ed Jones, responding to a March 2007 media query, confirmed that he had flown one of the aircraft in the formation that dropped flares on the night in question.[citation needed] The squadron to which he belonged was in fact in Arizona on a training exercise at the time, according to the Maryland Air National Guard. A history of the Maryland Air National Guard published in 2000 previously asserted that the squadron, the 104th Fighter Squadron, was responsible for the incident.[20] The first reports that members of the Maryland Air National Guard were responsible for the incident were published in The Arizona Republic newspaper in July 1997.[21]
Military flares[22][23] such as these can be seen from hundreds of miles given ideal environmental conditions. Later comparisons with known military flare drops were reported on local television stations, showing similarities between the known military flare drops and the Phoenix Lights. An analysis of the luminosity of LUU-2B/B illumination flares, the type which would have been in use by A-10 aircraft at the time, determined that the luminosity of such flares at a range of approximately 50–70 miles would fall well within the range of the lights viewed from Phoenix.[19]


but of course, citations are needed

[DRTY]

isn't 'phoenix lights' supposedly the most well documented 'alien UFO' sighting ever recorded? It's odd how with all those hours of footage recorded, and photographs taken there was still no actual sight of a vehicle of any sort.

i was thinking the same thing... this thing was covered twice (97 & 07) and documented by media, regular people, astronomers, police, etc... what's the deal? no explanation from the gov?

Basically the Air Force said they flew 4 A-10's nearby and dropped 4 'LUU-2 air-deployed high intensity illumination flares' in that place, that night. But I guess they're just 'covering up' and lying to stop us all from finding out.

That does seem to add up because the four lights in all the video footage are sometimes moving at different speeds relative to each other, which to me says the lights aren't connected to a physical, atleast not a physical object that is static (I'd guess the 'believers' claim the alien has a ship that morphs shape like the lizards do).

If you ask me, if there was a ship connected to those lights, then you would be able to see atleast parts of the ship. The computer I'm on now doesn't have Photoshop on, but tomorrow I'll open up a high res image of the 'ship' and see if there's anything above the lights (if you adjust the curves you'd see better in the darker areas). Even low quality sensors would pick something up.

EDIT: Oop just seen your edit, will read.

[parson]

isn't 'phoenix lights' supposedly the most well documented 'alien UFO' sighting ever recorded? It's odd how with all those hours of footage recorded, and photographs taken there was still no actual sight of a vehicle of any sort.

complete bullshit.

10s of thousands of eye witnesses who gawked for hours

[parson]

can't believe you guys are looking at wiki instead of the video evidence i posted.