Fashion and Feminism

[wolf89]

or fashion.

[collige]

Fashion doesn't have shit like this:
http://gos.sbc.edu/s/solanas.html

Completely egocentric, unable to relate, empathize or identify, and filled with a vast, pervasive, diffuse sexuality, the male is pyschically passive. He hates his passivity, so he projects it onto women, defines the make as active, then sets out to prove that he is (`prove that he is a Man'). His main means of attempting to prove it is screwing (Big Man with a Big Dick tearing off a Big Piece). Since he's attempting to prove an error, he must `prove' it again and again. Screwing, then, is a desperate compulsive, attempt to prove he's not passive, not a woman; but he is passive and does want to be a woman.

Being an incomplete female, the male spends his life attempting to complete himself, to become female. He attempts to do this by constantly seeking out, fraternizing with and trying to live through an fuse with the female, and by claiming as his own all female characteristics -- emotional strength and independence, forcefulness, dynamism, decisiveness, coolness, objectivity, assertiveness, courage, integrity, vitality, intensity, depth of character, grooviness, etc -- and projecting onto women all male traits -- vanity, frivolity, triviality, weakness, etc. It should be said, though, that the male has one glaring area of superiority over the female -- public relations. (He has done a brilliant job of convincing millions of women that men are women and women are men). The male claim that females find fulfillment through motherhood and sexuality reflects what males think they'd find fulfilling if they were female.

[wolf89]

wow that's retarded

[HamCrescendo]

She could have been a secretary

[64hz]

well according to freud all woman want a penis!!
!!Chea


(but jesus disagrees)

[ketamine]

fashion and feminism.

two of the least relevant things to me ever.

+1

[the acid never lies]

Less ignorance guys come on.... and you can't fit all of feminism under one umbrella. Saying you can't stand feminism is like saying you hate "progressive politics". It doesn't mean anything.

[collige]

Less ignorance guys come on.... and you can't fit all of feminism under one umbrella. Saying you can't stand feminism is like saying you hate "progressive politics". It doesn't mean anything.

Which is why I said "radical feminism"

[the acid never lies]

Less ignorance guys come on.... and you can't fit all of feminism under one umbrella. Saying you can't stand feminism is like saying you hate "progressive politics". It doesn't mean anything.

Which is why I said "radical feminism"

Radical feminism can mean loads of things too. Socialist feminism which could be a systemic critique of the state, for example. It doesn't mean bull-dyke or man-hater or whatever.

[collige]

Less ignorance guys come on.... and you can't fit all of feminism under one umbrella. Saying you can't stand feminism is like saying you hate "progressive politics". It doesn't mean anything.

Which is why I said "radical feminism"

Radical feminism can mean loads of things too. Socialist feminism which could be a systemic critique of the state, for example. It doesn't mean bull-dyke or man-hater or whatever.

After more research, I suppose a more appropriate term would be "separatist feminism". Semantics aside, the link I posted above pissed me off to an extreme degree.

[the acid never lies]

Is it fair to say they're the female equivalent of misogynists?

[collige]

Is it fair to say they're the female equivalent of misogynists?

Yeah, but I don't think misogynists have ever advocated gendercide (not that I'm forgiving any sort of gender discrimination).

[the acid never lies]

Sarah Palin calls herself a 'feminist'. She is pro life because it is 'against a woman's nature to show violence against the phoetus'. Apparently it's okay to be a war-monger though.

[collige]

Sarah Palin calls herself a 'feminist'. She is pro life because it is 'against a woman's nature to show violence against the phoetus'. Apparently it's okay to be a war-monger though.

Sarah Palin says a lot of things.

[stephisaint]

I have been perusing the forums and I couldn't find any threads devoted to fashion or feminism so I created my own. As someone who considers herself a feminist but also a lover of fashion balancing the two is something which I have struggled with over the years. Sometimes I have questioned if fashion is feminist or if it isn't. So really what I want to know is do you think that fashion and feminism can co-exist? Do you think the fashion industry has helped empower women and the goals of the feminist movement?

Are you talking 'high fashion' or 'street fashion'? High fashion in most cases doesn't have much to do with sexuality or sex appeal (and therefore feminism as it is essentially to do with the link between sexuality and power) unless you are looking at designers who have specifically come out and said they are designing for that purpose (versace for example).

I'm not feminist. Each gender has a natural advantage in different ways and each has the ability to exploit that. Equality comes in acknowledging it, using your advantage to it's potential and achieving your aims because of it, not highlighting the differences and saying they are wrong.

[WhosZena]

Eeww. Feminism.

why would they put the word 'fem' in it?

Eeww. Fashon.

Just why.

[nousd]

...what I want to know is do you think that fashion and feminism can co-exist?

they do,
so yes.

both have conformist & idiosyncratic extremes
that can be rationalized to suit one's conditioning

[the acid never lies]

bravo

[bright maroon]

It took me a while to find a decent statement for this thread...

It was provided via this board;a titties thread




Is it helping - No, it's not.

I mean, what's the point? To stay employed?

I will never be employed if I'm up against that sort of compitition. never.

I'm going to need a cloistered abby.

anyone seen Simon of the Desert - Bunuel flick..?

[nousd]

Is it helping - No, it's not.

I mean, what's the point? To stay employed?

not sure what you mean by this...do you mean that it's not helping the feminist cause?....if so, aren't these women making a choice?...or are you inferring that they are being forced or deluded? If you had their assets and not your current ones (intelligence, creativity etc) wouldn't you use them just the same? Isn't that largely what determines how we make a crust?
What's it to do with fashion anyway....exploiting male voyeurism & exhibitionism are age old....