65 Years Ago Today...

[Kaneda]

They made maple syrup doe.

OOT AND ABOOT AY.

My neighbor is a canuck. She actually talks like that. Stereotype: Confirmed

[oli90]

They made maple syrup doe.

OOT AND ABOOT AY.

My neighbor is a canuck. She actually talks like that. Stereotype: Confirmed

This thread is supposed to be about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, not milk baggers.

[Kaneda]

I think most countries have done something absurdly cuntish in their time.

Definitely your fault.

[tyson]

In Paraguay all the milk comes either in bags or straight from the cow. I thought it was weird. Never knew Canada did the same.

[nicenice]

Did America ever apologise?

[nowaysj]

For being bombed at Pearl Harbor?

Not really. No excuse for dropping those bombs where they did.

[dutty_switch]

Wars bring out the hideous side in everybody involved. Everybody thinks that they are right and will strive to protect their way of living and thinking, including acting out the most horrific atrocities thinkable.

Dropping bombs on Hiroshima & Nagasaki
The Japanese invasion of China
The Holocaust
Unit 713
Rycin
Mustard Gas
Anthrax
British & American "Interrogation" camps
Gulags and basically the entire Stalinist era (not technically a war but in Russia, I imagine it probably felt like one)
The invention of the flame thrower (possibly the most horrendous close-quarters combat weapon ever devised)
Carpet bombing during Vietnam
Napalm

The list goes. I can't even think what would happen if biological agents started to be used.....

This video always scared me:



Nuclear weapons is not the place for inter-continental oneupmanship.

EDIT: the impact of this video is considerably weakened by it being narrated by Tiff Needell though.

[NilsFG]

I'm a bit of a pessimist/doomsday-thinker when it comes to things like this, but I think the extermination of humanity wouldn't be such a bad thing as some people think..
Maybe we even deserved it. I don't believe there's a god that made us, but when you think about it, we got given a lot of power by evolution/god/whatever you believe in, and in general, we're abusing it constantly.

[oli90]

I'm a bit of a pessimist/doomsday-thinker when it comes to things like this, but I think the extermination of humanity wouldn't be such a bad thing as some people think..
Maybe we even deserved it. I don't believe there's a god that made us, but when you think about it, we got given a lot of power by evolution/god/whatever you believe in, and in general, we're abusing it constantly.

What do you mean? Like against other animals?

[NilsFG]

I'm a bit of a pessimist/doomsday-thinker when it comes to things like this, but I think the extermination of humanity wouldn't be such a bad thing as some people think..
Maybe we even deserved it. I don't believe there's a god that made us, but when you think about it, we got given a lot of power by evolution/god/whatever you believe in, and in general, we're abusing it constantly.

What do you mean? Like against other animals?

Against animals, other people (humanity itself) and against our planet and evolution really.

[kultron]

The atomic bombs dropped on Japan were necessary and calculated for bringing down the murderous Imperial War machine. The comparative casualties of letting the physical war go on any longer was insane.

And that anime was stupid as hell, the firebombing of Tokyo was much worse and violent with much more horrible deaths.

[Kochari]

The atomic bombs dropped on Japan were necessary and calculated for bringing down the murderous Imperial War machine. The comparative casualties of letting the physical war go on any longer was insane.

And that anime was stupid as hell, the firebombing of Tokyo was much worse and violent with much more horrible deaths.

I understand where you're coming from, but I think the difference is that women and children are not part of a war machine. If you're a soldier then you're a, ahem, "fair target" (dont really know how to put this properly). But you cant go around nuking civilians man, that just isnt on.

Also, this guy survived both bombs http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/ma ... ivor-japan

[drummerpig]

The atomic bombs dropped on Japan were necessary and calculated for bringing down the murderous Imperial War machine. The comparative casualties of letting the physical war go on any longer was insane.

And that anime was stupid as hell, the firebombing of Tokyo was much worse and violent with much more horrible deaths.

Nobody's saying that one horrible way to die is worse than another horrible way to die. The firebombings were certainly awful, but the big difference between that and the nukes is that the nukes were just a single, huge, devastating blast. It fucking carbonized shadows. I'm sure this guy would tell you that "Little Boy" didn't feel too great, but he wouldn't downplay anything else the U.S. did to them.

This guy got MESSED UP. Not for those who get grossed out easily.
http://www.documentingreality.com/forum ... victim.jpg

[the acid never lies]

Barefoot Gen... that was shocking

[nowaysj]

Wars bring out the hideous side in everybody involved. Everybody thinks that they are right and will strive to protect their way of living and thinking, including acting out the most horrific atrocities thinkable.

Dropping bombs on Hiroshima & Nagasaki
The Japanese invasion of China
The Holocaust
Unit 713
Rycin
Mustard Gas
Anthrax
British & American "Interrogation" camps
Gulags and basically the entire Stalinist era (not technically a war but in Russia, I imagine it probably felt like one)
The invention of the flame thrower (possibly the most horrendous close-quarters combat weapon ever devised)
Carpet bombing during Vietnam
Napalm

You left off Mao and his 35 million dead.

[the acid never lies]

Pisses me off when people try to censor one another - atrocities happen, let's talk about it without any of this "well x was worse" as if it somehow trumps it? Give me a break!

[the acid never lies]

You left off Mao and his 35 million dead.

Not strictly fair to put this in the same league - that the result of a flawed economic experiment the Great Leap Forward. It was negligence and the lack of democratic channels / over-centralization which made the country inefficient and unable to respond to the resulting famine in the right way. I think it's important to call a spade a spade - this isn't genocide we're talking about. Plus, think about how our own economic policy ensure famines in Africa continue to take place, for example.

[nowaysj]

Not strictly fair to put this in the same league

Collateral damage from a culture war?

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How do western economic practices cause famine in Africa?

[the acid never lies]

Not strictly fair to put this in the same league

Collateral damage from a culture war?

I don't follow you

==

How do western economic practices cause famine in Africa?

Think about world debt, conditions attached to the loans of the IMF (i.e. requiring cuts in government spending), the high rate of exploitation, subsidizing particular crops so farmers in the third world can't compete on the world market. It's not particularly controversial to acknowledge this, I don't think.

Whether you attribute good intentions to either Mao or the west is unimportant - I am drawing attention to the idea that the collateral damage you speak of is much the same in both examples.

[dutty_switch]

Wars bring out the hideous side in everybody involved. Everybody thinks that they are right and will strive to protect their way of living and thinking, including acting out the most horrific atrocities thinkable.

Dropping bombs on Hiroshima & Nagasaki
The Japanese invasion of China
The Holocaust
Unit 713
Rycin
Mustard Gas
Anthrax
British & American "Interrogation" camps
Gulags and basically the entire Stalinist era (not technically a war but in Russia, I imagine it probably felt like one)
The invention of the flame thrower (possibly the most horrendous close-quarters combat weapon ever devised)
Carpet bombing during Vietnam
Napalm

You left off Mao and his 35 million dead.

My bad, I didn't want to list everything as it would go one forever. I didn't even touch on the multitude of South American dicators that have committed mass murder to stay in power. Its too depressing for words.