Advantages of different software?

[GambitDubstep]

I currently produce dubstep using FL studio 8; but was looking into moving to logic with the macbook pro that im getting. Are there any real advantages of Logic over FL? (aside from logic having its own drum synth)

[SketchyDub]

drum synths are fucking gash mate, what can a drum synth do that a sampler can't?

anyway not really, ive used both alot and i prefer fl at home because i can get a project up and running in 2 minutes.

all daws are the same in a sense.

however logic is considered sick, but i wouldn't waste your money if your not absoloutely set on buying it

[DZA]

drum synths are fucking gash mate, what can a drum synth do that a sampler can't?

[GambitDubstep]

drum synths are fucking gash mate, what can a drum synth do that a sampler can't?

anyway not really, ive used both alot and i prefer fl at home because i can get a project up and running in 2 minutes.

all daws are the same in a sense.

however logic is considered sick, but i wouldn't waste your money if your not absoloutely set on buying it

Thanks for the input bruv = )
appreciate the timely response. And i understand where your comming from, i love FL, but i also wanted to try something fresh. i guess we will see where that takes me haha = P

[Dr Bloodnugget]

Could try rewire with Reason mate. Will certainly make room for more versatility.

Peace.

[paravrais]

There's a massive myth that logic is this holy grail that will suddenly make you an amazing producer. It's just not true, sure it's a good program but so is fruity, if fruity is working for you and you feel at home with that setup then there's really no need to switch.

[Lethargik]

if you don't know what your doing, drum synths are gash, but then so are all other synths.....

i definitely wouldn't switch DAWs just for a drum synth..... and your gonna go through a bit of trouble using FL on a Mac unless you go the whole bootcamp root

[Pedro Sánchez]

What can a drum synth do that a sampler can't?

Synthesise drums?
Do I win the prize?

[Basic A]

If your not already in tears from FLs plugin delay compensation.... nah logics not gonna be noticably better unless it suits your workflow more.

[Wrigzilla]

If you're getting a Mac Book anyway, I'd recomend downloading some demos of different DAWs and find out for yourself which one you like the best (I'd reckomend at least having a look at Reaper, Cubase and Ableton as well as Logic).

Now to answer you question, here's some things I reeally like about Logic:

Flex time makes editing audio with dodgy timing really easy. It comes with 3 plug ins that are in my opinion stand out: Space Designer, Sculpture and Delay Designer. Space Designer is a convolution reverb (I won't go into the DSP of how it works) but it uses impulse responses recorded from real rooms/spring reverbs/etc to generate realsitic reverbs. Sculpture is a physical modelling synthesiser which can make some pretty good string type sounds but can do much much more than that. Delay Designer doesn't use feedback loops to create delays but instead uses taps which you can control the timing of, volume, pan, pitch and filter settings of which allows you to have complete control over your delays.

As far as I'm aware FL won't let you set up feedback loops using sends (I might be wrong though) which would annoy me - I like using feedback as a sound design tool.

But yeah your DAW is a tool which requires a skilled workman to get the best out of it.

[GambitDubstep]

If you're getting a Mac Book anyway, I'd recomend downloading some demos of different DAWs and find out for yourself which one you like the best (I'd reckomend at least having a look at Reaper, Cubase and Ableton as well as Logic).

Now to answer you question, here's some things I reeally like about Logic:

Flex time makes editing audio with dodgy timing really easy. It comes with 3 plug ins that are in my opinion stand out: Space Designer, Sculpture and Delay Designer. Space Designer is a convolution reverb (I won't go into the DSP of how it works) but it uses impulse responses recorded from real rooms/spring reverbs/etc to generate realsitic reverbs. Sculpture is a physical modelling synthesiser which can make some pretty good string type sounds but can do much much more than that. Delay Designer doesn't use feedback loops to create delays but instead uses taps which you can control the timing of, volume, pan, pitch and filter settings of which allows you to have complete control over your delays.

As far as I'm aware FL won't let you set up feedback loops using sends (I might be wrong though) which would annoy me - I like using feedback as a sound design tool.

But yeah your DAW is a tool which requires a skilled workman to get the best out of it.

word, if FL was in fact capable of doing all that, i didnt know how at least haha = P
i dont think theres one single answer thats gonna satisfy everyone as to what the best DAW is. As you said, i strongly believe a lot of it has to do with the producer behind the software. I appreciate the advice, and have in-fact, PURCHASED LOGIC = D
time to get to work and see what this program can do!

[SunkLo]

Well Logic won't make your penis bigger like Reaper, but it's pretty nice I guess. Comes with a lot of nice plugins. I considered having OSX virtualized for a while so I could use Logic but nah, it would make the setup too complicated.

[shaneynclan]

this is a tough question.
although this may not be the most politically correct answer, this is the feeling that i have got from FL.
i used it exclusively when i first started producing. back then it was version 4 or some shit.
i switched to cubase just because i could, and it took a while to do so, due to the fact that i didn't know as much back then as i do now.
the bottom line is this:
i've always felt, dispite the fact that all daws (especially FL and reason) have differences in the way they render projects and sum all the tracks for the final mixdown.
Fl studio has always felt muddy to me in it's renders. more muddy than other DAW's i have used, as well as reason feeling a bit overcompressed.
when i switched to cubase i felt that my instruments simply on their own without any EQ or processing sounded cleaner and better after renders.
this is not to say that FL suck. i've heard some extremely professional tracks with the software, and due to my point above, it's arguable that it takes more talent to use FL assuming the differences in renders is true, in order to get a more professional sound.
in Logic's particular instance, i feel like it's summing and rendering methods are as solid as cubase's, or any of the 4 major DAW's i have used (Logic, Cubase, Protools and Sonar).
the best way i can describe the issue is this way:
have you ever seen those speed painting videos on youtube, where the person paints amazing pictures using (we assume) a graphic tablet and a piece of software.
Most videos are done in Photoshop, but i have seen amazing paintings done in the simple paint utility in windows.
ultimately, it's not what you use, it's how you use it.
in terms of native instruments EQ's and Audio Units, i do feel like Logic has a stronger base arsenal than FL.
but you're probably using vst's anyway.

[GambitDubstep]

this is a tough question.
although this may not be the most politically correct answer, this is the feeling that i have got from FL.
i used it exclusively when i first started producing. back then it was version 4 or some shit.
i switched to cubase just because i could, and it took a while to do so, due to the fact that i didn't know as much back then as i do now.
the bottom line is this:
i've always felt, dispite the fact that all daws (especially FL and reason) have differences in the way they render projects and sum all the tracks for the final mixdown.

Thanks a lot bruv. thats a much better insight into the DAWS. Helped a lot! = )

[wormcode]

^ Not really true, the "my tunes/vsts/etc sound better here" is just in your head as has been proven time and time again. You expect it to sound different because it's "industry standard and professional". Using Cubase, Reaper, and FL I hear no differences, the only thing that is different is workflow (and obviously their included instruments/effects), and that can be negative or positive depending on your particular way of working. Some DAW workflow will be counterproductive to your way of working. Of course there may be differences when proprietary algorithms like timestretching come into play, but when settings are equal, things like pan laws, the render will also be equal. People have tested this so many times on forums like Gearslutz, and here was a good post on IL's forum: http://forum.image-line.com/viewtopic.php?t=45272

[Basic A]

^ Not really true, the "my tunes/vsts/etc sound better here" is just in your head as has been proven time and time again. You expect it to sound different because it's "industry standard and professional". Using Cubase, Reaper, and FL I hear no differences, the only thing that is different is workflow (and obviously their included instruments/effects), and that can be negative or positive depending on your particular way of working. Some DAW workflow will be counterproductive to your way of working. Of course there may be differences when proprietary algorithms like timestretching come into play, but when settings are equal, things like pan laws, the render will also be equal. People have tested this so many times on forums like Gearslutz, and here was a good post on IL's forum: http://forum.image-line.com/viewtopic.php?t=45272

I was reaching for that video.

[wormcode]

I was reaching for that video.

Yeah it's embedded on the IL forum post I linked to. I noticed it's been doing the rounds on forums the last few days, I just saw it also posted in another thread here recently.

[Basic A]

I was reaching for that video.

Yeah it's embedded on the IL forum post I linked to. I noticed it's been doing the rounds on forums the last few days, I just saw it also posted in another thread here recently.

made by gearslutz members = guaranteed to go viral

[Sharmaji]

There's a massive myth that logic is this holy grail that will suddenly make you an amazing producer

partly true. Though i liken Logic to more of a chalice, or a cup in general, as opposed to a grail.

In pokes-speak it its, to be sure, similar to a fawn riding on the back of a griffin.