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Re: WORKS IN PROGRESS FOR AUGUST, 2010

Post by sminch » Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:42 pm

It *is* a real horn sample XD lol thanks for the crit though.
ah i see, see what it sounds like without the reverb/delay (unless it was recorded live in a football stadium :lol: )
EDIT: the song changes at least every 16 bars and often has more variation within those blocks, care to suggest any ways I can make it more interesting as I'm stuck for ideas with it at the moment.
yeh sure, it kinda sounds like after the horn section the song just starts from the begining again if you know what i mean. You could probably make it half as long as it is and it wouldnt be as repetitive. Maybe get the violins to build up into the horn section and then introduce some variation to the drums maybe a shuffle or another hi-hat rhythm. Dropping the drums or other instruments briefly during a verse can make it sound less repetitive too! varying the melody with the horns slightly between bars adding accents and expression would be cool. But yeh its ur track so its up to you buddy! :e:

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Post by paravrais » Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:10 pm

Cheers dude I'll bare those things in mind while finishing it off. Was already planning on adding some switch ups in the drums etc but I'll defo rethink the brass section a bit. Can see what you mean really. Is pretty cheesy XD. Anyone care to offer any feedback on the mixdown? Obviously still early stages but I like to get everything right-ish from the start

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Re: WORKS IN PROGRESS FOR AUGUST, 2010

Post by Erebus-7 » Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:13 pm

@paravrais - Love the intro, real chill, all those sounds gel really well together, have to disagree about the horn tbh, i think it sounds nice imo, maybe EQ abit of the high end down to dull it abit, depends how it sounds. quite like the progression, suble and chilled out, my preference in chilled out songs anyways, might do with a section with all parts brought together, so the organy thing, strings and horns all together to sort of bring it to a close, just a suggestion though, keep at it, really feeling this !

@sminch - like the feel of the track but gets so repetative, especially the drum rhythm, switch it up throughout the sections to keep interest. a higher pitched melody might be better aswell, that bass keeps going way to long without much change, wicked idea though, keep it up !

Posted this one a few times, made some more changes to it, still need to change some drum sounds around(got a load more smaples done at weekend but no time to play around), any tips would be great !

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this is an older WIP that im slowly updating, any ideas for progression would be wicked :) (i know mix is bead, this was made without my monitors so highs are abit sharp but tips on mix would be ace aswell,

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Re: WORKS IN PROGRESS FOR AUGUST, 2010

Post by Jean-Luc Cougar » Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:45 pm

Erebus-7 wrote: Posted this one a few times, made some more changes to it, still need to change some drum sounds around(got a load more smaples done at weekend but no time to play around), any tips would be great !

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Intro synth sounds good
Lazer blast sounds good
Hihats don't sound good to my ears, they sound like they may be clipping, or maybe bitcrushed too much for my taste
I don't care for the vocal sample, as a dj, I would be turned off by that, in a sense it would feel like I am playing a track that's degrading me
String swells sound great

In short, I think spending a few minutes reworking your drum sounds would really make this song sound finished, all the other elements are there.
The vocal sample is a personal thing, if you like it, go with it

(using crappy headphones atm so I can't comment on the sub or mixdown)

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Re: WORKS IN PROGRESS FOR AUGUST, 2010

Post by jstick » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:17 pm

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Not too sure on the bars seperating the intro and the wobblez yet but this is something im working on

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Re: WORKS IN PROGRESS FOR AUGUST, 2010

Post by adamc » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:21 pm

@paravrais thanks for the critique man! I am trying to go for a real dichotomy between synthy melodic downtempo and then proper tear-out. I am going to take your comments on-board in the final mix.

As for your tune, I like it, it's a nice roller. Love the melody on the sub. However I agree with the others who have said that it could benefit from more variation. Personally I am hearing some alteration in the actual string synth, and also it would be nice if the drums altered in some parts as well. Maybe try playing with some bitcrush/distortion on these parts in some areas, just to make it more interesting on the ear.

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Post by paravrais » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:39 pm

adamc wrote:@paravrais thanks for the critique man! I am trying to go for a real dichotomy between synthy melodic downtempo and then proper tear-out. I am going to take your comments on-board in the final mix.

As for your tune, I like it, it's a nice roller. Love the melody on the sub. However I agree with the others who have said that it could benefit from more variation. Personally I am hearing some alteration in the actual string synth, and also it would be nice if the drums altered in some parts as well. Maybe try playing with some bitcrush/distortion on these parts in some areas, just to make it more interesting on the ear.
Cheers for the tips, I always figure it's best to be brutally honest in these threads rather than licking each others balls lol. I'll probably post a version of this song up here again tommorow and see if i've managed to make it flow smoother and have more variation.

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Post by Skriptah » Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:19 am

@ Erebus-7 rotten-windows is sick, i think you could add more movent to the bass it would be good. Also i think your trying to go for a lilttle offbeat snares, but it throws me off a little too hard, not saying to put em in time, but to move em around a little more, play with them, and for deff needs an intro.

Peep my new track in progress, tell me what all you guys think.
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Re: WORKS IN PROGRESS FOR AUGUST, 2010

Post by BaasDNB » Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:37 am

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any comment is appreciated!
very very nicely done. Most the time I click play on somethin in here I expect something sloppy and unrefined, but your tune was refreshingly a surprise. Not much to criticize, but hmm... i suppose that beginning pad is a little hard to hear, maybe eq it to make more of a presence?

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Re: WORKS IN PROGRESS FOR AUGUST, 2010

Post by streetxlite » Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:44 am

@Stealth.Elf - i like the arrangement and synth work. The chord structure does seem to drone on after a while. I feel like this song could benefit from some rhythmic high tone (between c4-c6) bleeps, two or three at a time (almost like the bleeps on Pan Pipes by Benny Page/ZeroG). just playing the root note or current bass note. the wobble @ 2:45-3:37 could use a boost (either volume, EQ or compress, your choice) to sit just a little bit further over the sub levels-wise.
Definitely needs a lead riff or gimmicky sound of some sort somewhere for a hook to grab you.

@Erebus-7
Padded cell - hats could use a roll off of the ultra highs and a small volume cut. Feel like the pad during the first section is just barely too quiet, but pad during second section and into the arp or lead beep sound is at a good level. I don't know what you're using to move or wobble your sub around, but if there's any way you could just bring down the amp/gain/threshold knob a wee bit (whatever is moving it around) to make it move around just a bit less, and then you could put a bit more compression into it to bring it closer in the mix.
I really like the hat samples a lot, i'd like them better slightly quieter.. oh but shit i already said that. oh well.
Rotten windows - Again the hats are too loud, bring them down a little bit more than the last one because of the chill vibe you have going with the bass and piano. Hats sound more fitting for a dirt filth fuckyourspeakers track. This needs to go on a bit longer, and try putting some effects on your glass break sound (grain delays and flangers jump to mind) as well as bringing down the volume a good amount.

@Jstick, beautiful vocal sample, it's great to work with a nice voice (or at least sample) isn't it? The clap sound needs to come up in the intro, either that or make a bouncy shuffle 2step pattern around it with other claps and snares and leaving the one you have as is. The redux or bitcrush effect you're using could use a lot of sculpting, but it's really not bad for a work in progress. Layer up your drums and get them fat to make them pop. (Listen to them layered and not layered, sometimes when you layer kicks for example, you'll lose that original Boom from the first sample and it gets muddy, keep this in mind.)

@Skriptah
The crackle or bitcrush effect swelling in from the solo is dope. Good atmosphere. Vocal sample surprisingly needs sculpting to bring out the words a little better. Drums sound just about perfect, and the squeak sound effect in the background nods you along well. Bongos fit well in the mix. Wheres the sub bass, or mid bass for that matter? I want to hear this one when its done for sure.



OK, so a buddy of mine showed me ANOTHER way to go about getting that fucking stupid YOY noise like borgore/doctor P/flux schmaschmillion and i ended up making this turd of a track in less than an hour. Tell me your thoughts on mixdown, sample choice, and what to do to these retarded basslines!

EDIT: Surprised no posts yet. Managed to do a better mixdown and fix my stupid basslines (and made one even stupider) after another 2 hrs work, and i'm a lot happier with it. Still going to eq my drums a good bit, but i'm very surprised at how quickly it came together.
im gonna go smoke a bowl now because i gotta get up in about 3 hrs for work :o
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Re: WORKS IN PROGRESS FOR AUGUST, 2010

Post by Skriptah » Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:52 am

@streetxlite Thank you, yea the vocal samples are little muddy i agree, but it is because i pitched em down, any ideas on how to make them more clear without pitching up, And there is a low sub under the snare and kick hits, the beat was meant to be a little more left open than really midrangey. Thanks for the listen.

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Post by streetxlite » Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:00 am

Skriptah wrote:@streetxlite Thank you, yea the vocal samples are little muddy i agree, but it is because i pitched em down, any ideas on how to make them more clear without pitching up, And there is a low sub under the snare and kick hits, the beat was meant to be a little more left open than really midrangey. Thanks for the listen.
Filter or EQ out the ultra lows (below 80hz, maybe up to 150hz) and same with the ultra highs (more wiggle room, depending on sample, try cutting out above 12 kHz-18kHz. !Definitely! cut out the 18kHz + range)
Then drop a compressor, give it a harder knee, bring down thresh, and bring up output if needed.
It's what i would do, won't necessarily work for you.

Maybe even try some simple delays or filter delays. Seems to help sometimes.

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Post by Erebus-7 » Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:18 am

Thanks for all the feedback guys, i'll get to work !

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Post by martello » Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:03 am

@erebus (Padded Cell) - I like the hihats, Fly Lo style, smokin steps;) Pads are a little bit thin/empty. In some places looks like synth-line is not in the same key as pads. Synts are too loud also. But really like the drum line. Nice groove.

@erebus (Rotten Windows) - in this track drums are too dry for my taste and no groove as there was in Padded Cell. I think overall idea is missing, sounds are boring:(

@jstick - good choice for remixing. Sad its only an intro. When the wobble begins I think focus on the vocals not on the wobble. Just use some catchy bass line to give a nice groove. And too much reverb and stuff on vocals also, they just disappear. Original sounds Great, keep it!

@pixelatique - this is good. Mix is nice.

@streetxlite - again, mix is quite nice, well chosen sounds which work nicely together.....but not my taste:) These midrange saw wobbles are not for me but no doupt, well done:)

Here is mine (in progress):

http://www.martellorotativo.com/mr_ican_140kbps.mp3

or go to http://www.martellorotativo.com and first track in flash player.

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Re: WORKS IN PROGRESS FOR AUGUST, 2010

Post by Grok » Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:16 pm

Erebus-7 (updated-wip-padded-cell): I like this! Although I agree on changing the drum sounds. The drum arrangenment is fine but the samples are a bit meh. You should lower the amp on the synth that comes in at 1:11, it's too loud imo. Not too keen on it though, would be better as a background synth and make the whole thing more minimal and deep. I also personally would go for a kick that punches through more but that's a personal taste I guess but I prefer the kick/bass mix on the other WIP you posted (rotten-windows, which I like as well)! Other than that it's a solid tune, I really like the bassline and chord progressions.

jstick: Good idea but you definitely need a way stronger kick and snare. Beef it up and it will be great! Great wobbles and use of the vocal. Second drop could be really heavy if you sorted out the drums.

streetxlite: Great tune! Especially if it was made in 3 hours. I love the small edits in the wobbles and the wobble synth itself. Very pro. Mix wise it lacks a bit of bass (it gets better with the second drop though). Nothing else to complain about really, overall the mix sounds good! Can actually see Doctor P and the like playing this out. I would as well!


So, here's a new version of the track I posted a couple of pages ago. Thanks for all the great feedback! I've tried using most of it although I feel there is a lot of work to be done still.

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Tell me what you think now. The old version can be heard in my player as well.

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Post by jstick » Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:49 pm

@Streetxleet - Thanks a lot dude, I was going through some old acapellas that I acquired a while ago in search for some inspiration and came across this. Seems to be my first course of action when I have writers block. Thanks for the crit though dude, much appreciated, I'll definitely take everything on board.

"Throat-Saw" - Really enjoying these melodies actually, it has a really club 90s feel about it, which is kinda cool! The glitchy part is great, adds plenty of variety to the track, something that I need to work on myself actually. I think the "YOY's" could use some more low end, maybe with a little more distortion in the mids, I'm not sure.. experiment. Good track though man, cant wait to hear it finished.

@Martello - Thanks dude, your comments are much appreciated. Again I'll take your comments into consideration before finishing the track!

"Unable" - Nice intro, really cool vibes and the subtle chord changes are great. The drop is awesome, plenty of bass.. even on my crappy headphones. I think the snare could use a bit more body but it has plenty of snap.. so just beef the snare up a little I'd say. Good track though man, deserves some more listens from me later on!

@Grok - Thanks a lot for your comment man! I've been working on beefing out the drums all day. Still needs a LOT of work I think. Thanks again man.

"Lazer" - Great chords and melody! The production is nice if a little too central, Panning or widening the sound may help. Nice change into the drop, I very much like square/saw bending around and almost playing with the beat, very nice. Reminds me of joker kinda. Very good track.. I think the breathing reverse cymbals something become too much, playing around the levels of them may help too, could just be personal preference though so I'm not sure.
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Oh yeah and this is my track with some changes to it.. The drums still need loads and loads of work.. I'm not sure if I went a little overkill on the compression sometimes. Hmm
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Re: WORKS IN PROGRESS FOR AUGUST, 2010

Post by martello » Wed Aug 25, 2010 5:48 pm

jstick wrote:The drums still need loads and loads of work
Just a tip: choose right drums and right sounds, less chemistry:)

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Post by HAACK » Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:41 pm

@Dupe: Ohh myy haha, yhes man skanked right away, the drums sound clean already, all the elements sound in their place but I think you could use a little more presence and dynamics with the drums, try parallel compression or even sidechain the bass and kick just to give it more movement. :W:

@4Trak: Good vibes on this one, I like how the vocal carries with the harmony of the pad. Some eqing on the drum elements and this track should be on its way, but I think the track could go without the wobble.

@Skriptah: Masssive.

@Grok: Yhes dubheads would love this type of stuff in the Bay, good production.

New work in progress, not sure about the pad in the second half, definitely needs a bit more progression on the hihats, any other ideas would be great, cheers.

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Post by Skriptah » Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:48 pm

Ha thanks haack, love the reverb in all that shit you got, and the vibe is nice, you should have a section where the drums essentially drop and go into louder/drums with a snare and more percussion they sound sick, but yet like they will drop somewhere in the tune. nice work, would love to play it in a mix.

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Post by tripwire22 » Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:49 pm

im sorta back from a dry spell with a new wip so plz let me know what yall think

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