mks wrote:In The Shadows wrote:
Im no expert with production so dont take anything I say as gospel, its just my own experience with these things. It depends on what break Im using how I do it, a lot get cut on every note and resequence that way. People are talking about timestretching the break to the tempo. Might just be terminology but I think of timestretching as changing the tempo of audio without changing the pitch, in the same way pitchshifting is changing the pitch without tempo. I wouldnt do either to a break as they usually distort the sound. Sometimes you want the distortion but if you just want it to speed up the way Id do it is to resample it. That moves the tempo and pitch together so the wave shapes stay undistorted, just get closer together, like speeding up a record on a deck. If you listen to this tune from about 1:38 or so....
You know timestretching is a technique that goes back to the early days of jungle, I don't know if you want to dissuade people from using an important technique. Fact is some breaks sound fine pitched up and some don't. If you have a funk break at 94 BPM and you are making a DnB tune at 174 BPM, sometimes timestretching is the way to go. It doesn't add any noticeable distortion if you do it right. Sometimes you might want to keep the original timbre of the drums but move them to a new tempo.
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I did say that theres a limit to how far a break will pitch before it goes to crap. The vast majority of jungle drums have been pitched up/resampled/played at a higher key, whatever you want to call it or your software/hardware achieves/labels it. Changing the sample rate is probably the most correct way to label it in my limited knowledge, all these definitions mean slightly different things but theyre used on different programs and by different people to mean the same thing, which is changing the tempo and pitch together, Ive heard people call that timestretching (questionably) before. Like I said its just terminology which is why I explained what process I was refering to.
I hear what your saying about keeping the original timbre, like I said for that I just cut at every note. Timestretching involves by definition a distortion of the wave like pitchshifting does. But if your timestretcher moves things big distances without noticeably distorting them then cool, I cant argue with that. The ones Ive tried have always distorted things too much, people with the latest versions of ableton swear by its complex mode for timestreching things, I only have ableton 6 here, and its complex mode noticeably distorts, as do all the ones in soundforge and other software I have. Over time someones going to make an algorhythm that will remove all unwated distortions from timestretching, and if its been done already and I just dont have it then fair play. I wasnt trying to dissuade people from using timestretching, just explaining to green plan that I personaly wouldnt use that method for beats, unless I want that distortion I get specificly.
Timestretching is a classic jungle thing, but usually used to slow things down and get that weird metalic stretched distortion surely? wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaattttttchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh dddddiiiiiiiiissssssssssssssssssss style
