MAC or PC for production?

[deadly_habit]

sign, gotta love the blind mac arguments with no substance as to why involving technical specs or os advantages
the old tired adage of "they just work"

[samurai]

i hate macs. we're using them at college and although they told us we obviously don't need to get macbooks it is heavily advisable as we'll be using logic and final cut pro and some other bullshit that is mac only. fuck macs. i'm just going to get a sony laptop.

[Pedro Sánchez]

sign, gotta love the blind mac arguments with no substance as to why involving technical specs or os advantages
the old tired adage of "they just work"

My argument against that shitty slogan is always... "well they were using that 'It just works' slogan when their mice only had one button and they used power PC processors, now they use two button mice and intels, so were they lying about it 'just working' and actually it wasn't, PC's were"

[alphacat]

sign, gotta love the blind mac arguments with no substance as to why involving technical specs or os advantages
the old tired adage of "they just work"

God, tell me about it. This argument is most leaned on by people with the technical common sense of a fucking fruitfly - the same people who'll tell you that their Mac is superior precisely because of the limitations on what you can do "under the hood" - and who don't know the first thing about how any computers really work let alone PCs. These are also the same people that often pay extra to have their internet connection set up (i.e. some guy shows up, plugs one cable into the router and the other into the computer and then gets paid $50 for it) because "I'm not interested in that techie stuff."



Because with PCs, there's like 11 different ways to do the same thing - right-click, drag & drop, command line, etc - so if one of those methods for doing something doesn't work, by golly, you can just try another method. The kind of Mac user Deadly's talking about gets mad that there's more than one way to do things because they don't want to be exposed as being incapable of remembering multiple methods or something.

Which is not to say that all Mac users are like this, but the most vocal are often these asshats. At least the loudest champions of PCs are usually overqualified on the tech side and could actually get around either OS.

Ah well... I'll be on Linux sooner or later anyway.

[deadly_habit]

sign, gotta love the blind mac arguments with no substance as to why involving technical specs or os advantages
the old tired adage of "they just work"

God, tell me about it. This argument is most leaned on by people with the technical common sense of a fucking fruitfly - the same people who'll tell you that their Mac is superior precisely because of the limitations on what you can do "under the hood" - and who don't know the first thing about how any computers really work let alone PCs. These are also the same people that often pay extra to have their internet connection set up (i.e. some guy shows up, plugs one cable into the router and the other into the computer and then gets paid $50 for it) because "I'm not interested in that techie stuff."



Because with PCs, there's like 11 different ways to do the same thing - right-click, drag & drop, command line, etc - so if one of those methods for doing something doesn't work, by golly, you can just try another method. The kind of Mac user Deadly's talking about gets mad that there's more than one way to do things because they don't want to be exposed as being incapable of remembering multiple methods or something.

Which is not to say that all Mac users are like this, but the most vocal are often these asshats. At least the loudest champions of PCs are usually overqualified on the tech side and could actually get around either OS.

Ah well... I'll be on Linux sooner or later anyway.

slackware man, you'll never need any other distro

[Depone]

Im gonna lay my cards...

You can run Windows XP thru to windows 7 ultimate on macs right outta the box. its even got a setup app that does all the legwork of formatting/partitioning.

I run windows 7 for games and odd gems i cant get on macs.

Duel boot. No shit... deadly hates me for this, but im gonna say it.. it just does work, no drivers bullshit, just everything is plug n play.

[deadly_habit]

Im gonna lay my cards...

You can run Windows XP thru to windows 7 ultimate on macs right outta the box. its even got a setup app that does all the legwork of formatting/partitioning.

I run windows 7 for games and odd gems i cant get on macs.

Duel boot. No shit... deadly hates me for this, but im gonna say it.. it just does work, no drivers bullshit, just everything is plug n play.

yes you can, but you're still paying for the name more than the components
you can build/buy a hackintosh to do the same thing and not have to deal with buying a new apple for component upgrades etc down the line (or buying a whole new tower)
it's just kind of funny that apple are finally adapting to the fact people want to use 3rd party os/soft more and more after trying to limit/make doing hackintoshes a pain with every upgrade of the os

[Pedro Sánchez]

just everything is plug n play.

Because you have had to choose from the small percentage of products that OSX supports .

[Depone]

just everything is plug n play.

Because you have had to choose from the small percentage of products that OSX supports .

Mac is supported in the audio realm verry well indeed. Whya re 80% of the music studios i have visited have a OS X based setup? stability and reliability. They even defrag themselves for funks sake

[Pedro Sánchez]

Studio's use them because they look pretty and they can say "We use Macs" so now we can justify the extra ching we charge over the studio that uses a PC, just like ProTools being the "Industry Standard" it's all marketing bullshit and I own a Macbook.

[komanderkin]

they say that macs are more stable and not at all affected by viruses, but... i don't know, i don't see why a well built & treated pc wouldn't perform just as well. if you use your production pc to download warez and porn, than you'll probably catch a virus, but it's your fault.

on the other hand, there's a shitload of awesome free audio tools available for pc. and no matter how well you treat your mac, you won't be able to use those on it.

[deadly_habit]

that and most viruses/malware/etc code is written to affect what the majority uses so you get the most return out of it
it's like the shotgun effect vs a sniper rifle an analogy which can be applied to a lot of things
that and like it or not most internet based hosting and services etc are nix or windows based hence why they're more of a target
it's not that macs are safer, it's a matter of what's the point of specifically targeting them
with the intel based macs and systems and the dual boot aspects etc i can see that changing in the near future and people being in for a harsh reality check

none of this should be a concern for either if you're using all legit software and not on the internet with you're daw machine

[__________]

IMO:
get an above-average pc with a large solid state drive (!!!!), two 10,000rpm hard drives, a quality soundcard, 4GB ram, I5 CPU or something, and then spend the rest on MIDI controllers and/or synthesisers

I'd say get a PC because you can build it yourself and either save money, or spend the same amount as it'd cost to get a mac, but it would be an absolute beast 100% tailored to your needs. if you buy a mac, you're just paying for the name. they're massively over-priced.

whatever you do, get a solid state drive. they're clearly the way forward regardless of whatever programs or OS you are running.

[wormcode]

Depends on the software you use or intend to use.
I would build a custom PC and run OSX in VM. With todays processors it's no problem, I've seen a friend of mine alt+tab between Win 7, OSX and linux on the same computer without a hiccup.

why

I'm pretty sure I could do all this on my work i3, but why would I want to? Why not get the platform I'm going to be primarily working in? If our man (for whatever bizarre reason) wants to run multiple OS, Cubase and Logic and other stuff, then yeah go for it. If he wants a dedicated DAW specifically for studio/recording use. I don't see the point in going through VMs. Only reason I still have windows xp in a vm on my mac was to run PaulStretch and now there's better native osx vsts, got no need.

Just to geek out really. I mean why not do it? I've never gone that far with VM myself, but I can see its usefulness especially with software that is not cross platform. It's really no big deal to just open a VM, use some software and close it. Sure beats the days of rebooting to get into your bootloader to switch an OS. I didn't mean he had them running together 24/7.

[pete_bubonic]

Haha the geek satisfaction level is certainly high when you can open other OS on the fly and use a platform specific vst and such. But if it means I could save myself a good 500 notes by just focussing on one OS....


And lol didn't take long for to start chatting shit and calling names about the brand of laptop you use. Yay it's like we're 7 again.

[futures_untold]

Test thoroughly both platforms before you decide which suits your needs better. If your tolerance for understanding and dealing with technology is minimal, then Macs are perfect. If you're not a complete muppet, PCs offer lots more power for the same price.

Windows 7 has minor workflow improvements that I personally find more useful to use compared to the Mac OSs I've tried. Windows 7 is also very very stable, and in the year that I've been using it haven't suffered any viruses or bulshit. (Even after visiting some dodgy sites and downloading some naughty shit.)

As mentioned earlier in the thread, figure out what software you want to use by testing it thoroughly. Some great freeware out there is PC only. Can you really be arsed (as a non techy using a Mac) to load up another operating system to use PC only software?

It's a fallecy of bygone eras that PCs 'aren't as good as Macs' for media production work. I've been doing media production work for 10 years on a PC, and have about the same amout of problems as my Mac based friends have had.

Finally, if you're so scared of technology as to need to use 'Fisherprice my first PC' (Macs), then also consider whether Apple Customer Care is going to be helpful in the moments that your Mac hardware breaks down. If there are issues with the Mac customer support, there may be fewer options for help. PC shops are everywhere, so chances are there will be a local store with friendly staff.

[deadly_habit]

it still baffles me why people want laptops for a dedicated daw anyways. if your touring a bunch then maybe have a one as a secondary, but for at home?

[tripaddict]

they are far too expensive too.

edit.

ridiculously priced

[futures_untold]

So the conclusion was PC then.

[Depone]

So the conclusion was PC then.

its up to him. im not mac elitist, but i hate the pc elitism.

Make music / whatever. Just dont get to the point when you geek out on either.