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DSF Freeware VST Contest #2!

Post by alphacat » Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:17 pm

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The purpose is to A) punish the VSTi and make it do naughty things, and B) demonstrate that tools do not equal talent - and that sometimes limitations can be liberating and encourage you to try things you might not ordinarily do with your gear, not to mention showing people with fancy setups that there's more to a good song than expensive plugs.

In a nutshell, you are to make a song using only the provided VSTi, drum machine + breakbeat samples (breakbeat courtesy of Sackley) and the provided toolkit of DSP effects (the Kjaerhus Classic series.) You can also record your own vocals as long as they're used as traditional vocals, i.e. sung, rapped, or spoken content (no beatboxing or humming basslines :wink: )

The featured freeware VSTi for this round will be POLYIBLIT as selected by the winner of the first contest, Apastrat: Polyiblit is an excellent choice for its range of sound possibilities, potential depth of configuration, and stability on the wonky old PCs many of us still use. The featured drum machine kit is the Korg Prophecy kit, which has a wide variety of sounds and was noteworthy for Apastrat for its toms. And finally, our very own Sackley has once more generously provided 4 samples of the same break (which he both played & recorded live) with 3 versions having different mic tracks and the 4th being a composite mix.


The 3 Rules

1) Songs can only be made from the featured VSTi, and the provided drum machine kit and breakbeat sample (percussion can be synthesized from the VSTi as well.) You may also record your own vocal content provided it's sung or spoken and not you making synth, bass, beatbox or other instrumental sounds. If a vocal sample is ID'd* as coming from existing media such as film, music, television, the submission will be disqualified.

2) The aforementioned provided sounds can be processed only using the provided DSP vst plug-ins. You can use your sampler to capture, stretch, re-pitch, reverse, or chop the samples, but using native DAW or sampler processing to do anything like bandpassing, phasing, flanging, chorusing, gating, compressing, reverb, delay, etc. is not allowed *.

3) Song can be any style/genre; Song run time can be no more than 4 minutes (entries running over will not be included, period); two weeks deadline with 1 week of voting.

* Winner must be able to provide patch/screenshot/some sort of basic documentation for how sound were made if requested.

Contains: (download link removed 10/15/10)

~ Korg Prophecy drumkit,
~ Sackley's breakbeat,
~ the Kjaerhus Classic series installer .exe,
~ Polyiblit .dll... PLUS - as a bonus - every free patch & bank for it I could find.
You're welcome. :t:


Deadline for contest submissions is MIDNIGHT Pacific Standard Time (7 PM GMT) on October 14th.

When you're ready to submit your song, please upload to a share site (sendspace, rapidshare, divshare, etc) and PM me the link with your name and the name of the track.

Do not disclose your identity or anyone else's identity until voting is through, please.
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Re: DSF Freeware VST Contest #2!

Post by paravrais » Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:03 pm

BO!

Have to say I'm not thrilled to be using the same EQ plugin as before...really not thrilled. Any chance for the next one of these we could use a different free EQ? the rest of the stuff in that pack is ok but the EQ really makes me sad :(

Anyway, enough moaning, big up Sackley for the break and lets get cracking!

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Re: DSF Freeware VST Contest #2!

Post by alphacat » Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:26 pm

paravrais wrote:BO!

Have to say I'm not thrilled to be using the same EQ plugin as before...really not thrilled. Any chance for the next one of these we could use a different free EQ? the rest of the stuff in that pack is ok but the EQ really makes me sad :(

Anyway, enough moaning, big up Sackley for the break and lets get cracking!
Heh. You guys are spoiled! I have to say that I actually like the EQ now that I've learned to use it better; bear in mind it's modeled on classic hardware EQ's, for starters... the lack of surgical-precision control over frequencies is how everything used to be done. Plus it's not a CPU-rapist, and it doesn't "color" the sound like some other EQ plugs do. Finally, the Saturation feature is great for beefing up stuff in a natural-sounding way.

I like the idea of the simplicity of one DSP series being used, but I'm not gonna hold out just for that necessarily. I think if we were to add another EQ it should probably be parametric though, as well as easy to use, very stable, and very high quality... and of course freeware.

Thoughts?

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Re: DSF Freeware VST Contest #2!

Post by paravrais » Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:37 pm

Haha the saturation feature *is* great, I'll give you that.

I don't have great experience of freeware EQ's as abletons native ones are don but this aint too bad from what i've used of it http://www.aixcoustic.com/index.php/pos ... tion/30/0/

and I also kinda like this one too, it pretty http://magnus.smartelectronix.com/ (the nyquist eq)

EDIT: had a little fiddle around and the polyiblit > TalElektro IN EVERY WAY! Quite liking this little synth.

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Re: DSF Freeware VST Contest #2!

Post by AfterEmpire » Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:40 pm

yessss i'm so on board.
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Re: DSF Freeware VST Contest #2!

Post by futures_untold » Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:47 pm

ReaEQ is by far the best freeware parametric eq available.

Also worth strongly considering is Melda parametric eq. (Part of the Melda freeware bundle, which gives the Kjearhus bundle a serious serious run for its money) ;)

Finally, another one to consider is posihfopit parametric eq. If you decide to use the posihfopit eq, it's worth tracking the CM Edition off thier covermount DVD as the skin is easier to use.

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Re: DSF Freeware VST Contest #2!

Post by paravrais » Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:49 pm

futures_untold wrote:ReaEQ is by far the best freeware parametric eq available.

Also worth strongly considering is Melda parametric eq. (Part of the Melda freeware bundle, which gives the Kjearhus bundle a serious serious run for its money) ;)

Finally, another one to consider is posihfopit parametric eq. If you decide to use the posihfopit eq, it's worth tracking the CM Edition off thier covermount DVD as the skin is easier to use.
I already mentioned that one brother!

But yeah I haven't heard of the Melda bundle before but if it's good it has my vote for being used in the next VST comp. See which one works better hands on :)

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Re: DSF Freeware VST Contest #2!

Post by futures_untold » Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:11 pm

ah yes, silly me. :o

Word to the wise, check out that Melda bizzle haha. The quality of the chorus, flanger and phaser in particular is worth noting. The ring modulator and compressor are both on top of their game too in terms of flexibility.

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Re: DSF Freeware VST Contest #2!

Post by back2onett » Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:35 pm

might give this a bash :e:

has anybody got a blank/init patch for polybit?
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Re: DSF Freeware VST Contest #2!

Post by 3za » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:10 pm

on it!!!

i remeber downloading polyiblit, a few years ago. used it once decided it was shit, and never used it again... but back then i did not have a clue how to use a synth. so this should be interesting.
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Re: DSF Freeware VST Contest #2!

Post by sackley » Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:03 pm

paravrais wrote:Anyway, enough moaning, big up Sackley for the break and lets get cracking!
Most welcome man! :e: Thank you! Any input from everyone is welcome as to ideas for break-recording.

And Futures is sooooo right. ReaEQ is all I use. Amazing.

Also gonna vote for Melda's freeware package for next comp. Even though I love ReaEQ, I think keeping one developer's package the limit is a must to keep this from getting messy.

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Re: DSF Freeware VST Contest #2!

Post by alphacat » Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:36 pm

re: Melda free bundle - this thread on KVR makes me a little nervous...

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Re: DSF Freeware VST Contest #2!

Post by legend4ry » Thu Sep 30, 2010 12:28 am

I'm actually going to give this a go. :W:
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Re: DSF Freeware VST Contest #2!

Post by futures_untold » Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:57 am

alphacat wrote:re: Melda free bundle - this thread on KVR makes me a little nervous...
By the time the 3rd VST contest is under way, those bugs will likely be ironed out. The Melda dev is pretty quick at sorting out issues when they are reported. :)

@ Sackley - If you like ReaEQ, try Apulsoft ApQualizr. ;)

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Re: DSF Freeware VST Contest #2!

Post by sackley » Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:53 pm

futures_untold wrote:@ Sackley - If you like ReaEQ, try Apulsoft ApQualizr. ;)
Looks sweet, but I'm a cheap-skate :? . And other than FIR in/out display (or lack thereof, rather), there isn't much I'd change on ReaEQ.

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Re: DSF Freeware VST Contest #2! (please sticky-ify)

Post by antithesis » Sat Oct 02, 2010 1:55 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nCJZM82 ... re=related


this is my submission..... :roll:

this VST reminds me of Anthony Rother like crazy! nice straightforward synth though.

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Re: DSF Freeware VST Contest #2! (please sticky-ify)

Post by paravrais » Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:44 pm

antithesis wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nCJZM82 ... re=related


this is my submission..... :roll:

this VST reminds me of Anthony Rother like crazy! nice straightforward synth though.
It's meant to be anonymous, you upload it to a file sharing website and then pm it to alphacat.

Why aint this stickied yet?

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Re: DSF Freeware VST Contest #2! (please sticky-ify)

Post by 3za » Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:19 pm

paravrais wrote:It's meant to be anonymous, you upload it to a file sharing website and then pm it to alphacat.
:roll:

he was joking
paravrais wrote:Why aint this stickied yet?
i think are mods have been on the lash :lol:
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Re: DSF Freeware VST Contest #2! (please sticky-ify)

Post by Basic A » Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:42 am

So can I ask a legit question about this?

With the synths Ive seen you guys using here, I dont really understand how this is supposed to be any kind of a challenge? SO far Ive seen 2 perfectly capable 3 Osc synths, which can generate any sound under the sun if used properly with the effects at hand... They arent particularly restrictive, colored, or anything like that for that matter. I could probably, very easily, be using my defaults and noone would be the wiser, whcih I find really unfun, and hence, havent been participating in this

Wouldnt it make alot more sense to be using something restrictive, rather then just expecting people to essentially chage there workflow but use the same resources? Synths like the Itchy's, Novakill, DSK stuff, ect. ect. Stuff that only makes a limited number of sounds.

IDK.

Just my 2 cents but this has made little sense to me since it started, theres no restrictions aside from the synths your picking dont look as pretty as my copy of atlantis or 3xosc... other then that... they're the same :?
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Re: DSF Freeware VST Contest #2! (please sticky-ify)

Post by alphacat » Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:59 pm

Basic A wrote:So can I ask a legit question about this?

With the synths Ive seen you guys using here, I dont really understand how this is supposed to be any kind of a challenge? SO far Ive seen 2 perfectly capable 3 Osc synths, which can generate any sound under the sun if used properly with the effects at hand... They arent particularly restrictive, colored, or anything like that for that matter. I could probably, very easily, be using my defaults and noone would be the wiser, whcih I find really unfun, and hence, havent been participating in this
Fair enough...

For starters, as you probably know - not all generic 3osc synths are as generic as they look. Most softsynths have seemingly minor features that set them apart; sometimes you stumble on sounds that a particular synth does that are unusual, or find feature sets that are rich with potential but mostly untapped. Sometimes it's about zeroing in on the "vibe" certain synths have (the TAL ELEK7RO has a pretty distinctly colored sound for a piece of freeware) and seeing what can be done with it.

If you're an old hand at synthism in general it's easy to dismiss synths that have [more or less] the same features as any other out there. The magic happens when you actually start fucking with it, making it do things that perhaps it wasn't designed to do, or finding what it does really well and hammering that. Many of the folks around here have not had many years of experience in synth-abuse though - and not surprisingly, sometimes these greenhorns figure out stuff that the 'experts' miss.

As for using presets: are you talking generic .fxp's getting plugged into whatever synth's being featured, or... ? Remember that any of us can call shenanigans and ask to see how a sound was made if it's suspected that somebody cheated and used non-contest gear. See the bit in the rules in red font.
Basic A wrote:Wouldnt it make alot more sense to be using something restrictive, rather then just expecting people to essentially chage there workflow but use the same resources? Synths like the Itchy's, Novakill, DSK stuff, ect. ect. Stuff that only makes a limited number of sounds.
"Limited" is a pretty relative term. Lots of folks seemed to think the TAL-ELEK7RO was far too limited, but conversely some agreed with you that it was perfectly capable of doing anything - anything, that is, in the hands of a competent programmer.

But it's the middle ground that's more interesting; somewhere in between the "how does I make it wobble?" folks and the "pish posh, this synth is too easy. I want something with an interface like fluid lava where the settings constantly morph on me... now there's a challenge!" The middle ground peeps are gonna say "hmm... this synth has a lot of stuff I've tried before, but what are these extra little features? What does this thing here do?"
Basic A wrote:Just my 2 cents but this has made little sense to me since it started, theres no restrictions aside from the synths your picking dont look as pretty as my copy of atlantis or 3xosc... other then that... they're the same :?
Heh. You're the first person to say that there's hardly enough restriction! There's been plenty of pissing and moaning about being limited to the Kjaerhus dsp VST's, about not being able to use native FX, about the drum machine selection, about almost anything you can think of. And we're not even done with the second round. When you say there's no restrictions aside from the synth... are you forgetting that we all have to use the same drum machine, same break, and same dsp FX?

Honestly though, I think the proof is in the pudding. Have you listened to the submissions from the first round? Can you honestly say that they all sound totally alike despite coming from the same plug, dsp fx, and drum machine + break?

I would also strongly recommend that you participate and play by the rules and just use the provided stuff and see what you come up with because hell, if it's not a challenge for you, you should have it in the bag - and if you win you'll get to pick the next synth and show us all what a really complicated VSTi looks like! :D

C'mon Basic. I dare ya. I double-dog dare ya.

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