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Re: Dubstep - Loosing its uniqueness?

Post by serox » Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:16 pm

gravity wrote:could anyone tell me how a loefah tune is any less bland and formulaic than a datsik tune? let alone any more unique?
His tracks have a lot of Hip Hop stuff going on. The drums, the flow and the samples are all very East Side Hip hop. Those guys loved their 808 drums and Loefah has taken it to another level for me. He also has very good mixdowns and a real vibe going on with his samples. The main problem I have with a lot of the new style Dubstep is it all sounds like random VST presets stuck on a grid. Also a lot of it sounds like it was made using the same as what X did last week and is unoriginal.

Feel free to point out another artist like Loefah.
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Re: Dubstep - Loosing its uniqueness?

Post by serox » Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:21 pm

btw, I am not really bored of it. I just feel a bit gutted that I missed the boat a bit and wish I could turn back time:) those early dmz/fwd nights would have been amazing to be involved with.
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Re: Dubstep - Loosing its uniqueness?

Post by decree » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:20 pm

serox wrote:
gravity wrote:could anyone tell me how a loefah tune is any less bland and formulaic than a datsik tune? let alone any more unique?
His tracks have a lot of Hip Hop stuff going on. The drums, the flow and the samples are all very East Side Hip hop. Those guys loved their 808 drums and Loefah has taken it to another level for me. He also has very good mixdowns and a real vibe going on with his samples. The main problem I have with a lot of the new style Dubstep is it all sounds like random VST presets stuck on a grid. Also a lot of it sounds like it was made using the same as what X did last week and is unoriginal.
you can still easily say all the same things about a datsik tune, you are missing the point gravity is making.
serox wrote: Feel free to point out another artist like Loefah.
You cannot say that there are not tracks of his that others have done similar ideas to before or after (not that all his tracks fall into this category but NO ONE is 100% original)
Wasn't datsik very original as well, now people try to copy his sound but before him who was very similar?
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Re: Dubstep - Loosing its uniqueness?

Post by deadly_habit » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:28 pm

still remember when i first was sent gizmo by datsik and no one had heard of him. hit like a ton of bricks reminded me of why i loved techy dnb so much just made it's way to dubstep
shame everyone and their mother took it to generic paint by number tunes

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Re: Dubstep - Loosing its uniqueness?

Post by green plan » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:29 pm

serox wrote: It lost it years ago. Massive, mid range killed it. Its all gone Techno and sounds like a bunch of VSTs stuck on a grid with random selected presets. Tracks have no vibe at all. Like what happened to DnB everyone has gone anal and now it is more about EQing and compressing the fuck out of thweir tracks. Where have the dynamics gone? where has the serious riddums gone? no vibe at all. The early producers were from Garage, Grime, Jungle and Dub backgrounds etc. Now I think they come from Trance, Techno and new style DnB?

As the music got popular the mainstream didnt know what to do or how to even dance to it. Majority of people into dance music dont have a clue how to dance to halftime beats so loads of producers started making things more danceable, simple.
In my opinion dubstep or whatever you call it is in an amazing stage. So many producers doing different things, and taking influences from so many different genres to move forward from what was becoming a stagnant reliance on half step. Take addison groove for example, alright juke may be a bit meh at time, but juke influenced dubstep? Shit I've been footcrabbing all year. Working them too. These are producers pushing the sound, just as loefah and the rest of DMZ did in early 2000s. They are not watered down dnb producers, who I admit do exist in the dubstep world but are easily avoided. Have you heard work them in a dance? Shit goes off. I get that you love that early stuff, and so do I. But I think to hold music back is a flawed approach, the era you love came from people trying new things. That's how this shit works. If you don't vibe on the stuff coming out then that is your opinion, but I think what you are saying is a massive generalisation. The techno influence is huge, and really has been at least since shackleton (others with more knowledge feel free to chime in). I think it's been noted that Mala loves house. I'm down with all these genres mating and have bastard children. I can barely keep up with buying vinyl that I actually HAVE to own at the moment. Check boomkat's releases today: untold's single, new james blake, roska & untold collab are all amazing. I'm down with going out hearing half step, and am a fairly top dancer haha, but it's nice to have it intermingled with other riddims. Producers starting mixing up the beats because they got bored with doing what everyone else was doing.
serox wrote:btw, I am not really bored of it. I just feel a bit gutted that I missed the boat a bit and wish I could turn back time:) those early dmz/fwd nights would have been amazing to be involved with.
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Re: Dubstep - Loosing its uniqueness?

Post by HORSEFORCE » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:52 pm

dub is alive and well. picking up steam in america and looking for the next thing in europe. everyone knows that music is powered by the producers first, so look to the upcoming guys to see whats next. i think its gonna start changing in tempo and getting more vocal (like actual vocals, not vocal synths) there are so many good tracks out there, you just gotta find em. most good DJs dont like to share the shit that is really defining their sets, so go out and see/meet DJs, get out of your damn bedroom.

people who complain on this forum are just lazy assholes who dont know how to produce good tracks. if you dont like dubstep, stop whining and make something. this is a good place to learn, but not a good place to hang out. go hang out at clubs and see whats actually going on. DSF is not a "scene" its a forum.

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Re: Dubstep - Loosing its uniqueness?

Post by lightfair » Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:02 pm

i agree with posts saying dubstep is at a stage with greater diversity than ever before... while the wobble bass has reached a degree of prevalence gaining widespread exposure and appeal amongst artists and audiences, new music fitting into dubstep style has exploded in all different directions taking the core dubstep elements and developing them with melodic components across the aural spectrum and fusing them with aspects of other genres, which is a process of evolution all music genres goes through

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Re: Dubstep - Loosing its uniqueness?

Post by alphacat » Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:30 pm

Like fruit on a tree.

The new growth swells up all shiny and sweet - we see those fruits and want a taste because we've never tried a new "flavor" quite like it...

The season progresses, many more people want to try that flavor (but many of them think they know what would make it just a little bit better)...

The season reaches its end (for the time being) and the fruit starts to become rotten and fall to the ground - fewer & fewer people want to eat it now...

Meanwhile, some of the fruit that's fallen has already produced seeds of the next season's crop, whose new growth swells up all shiny and sweet...


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Re: Dubstep - Loosing its uniqueness?

Post by Basic A » Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:34 pm

HORSEFORCE wrote:dub is alive and well.

STOP DOING THIS!!!
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Re: Dubstep - Loosing its uniqueness?

Post by deadly_habit » Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:59 pm

Basic A wrote:
HORSEFORCE wrote:dub is alive and well.

STOP DOING THIS!!!

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Post by Basic A » Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:02 pm

Wasnt saying dub didnt still exist I just know he wasnt talking about it....
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Re: Dubstep - Loosing its uniqueness?

Post by green plan » Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:03 pm

Basic A wrote:
HORSEFORCE wrote:dub is alive and well.

STOP DOING THIS!!!
THIS.

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Re: Dubstep - Loosing its uniqueness?

Post by serox » Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:23 pm

Call me a dinosaur but I miss this simple shit :D find me a Datsik track that does not give me a headache and ill show u a liar lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQsHJG6k ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4RrbFVYdxQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGEO8Oue ... re=related

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Re: Dubstep - Loosing its uniqueness?

Post by decree » Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:28 pm

serox wrote:Call me a dinosaur but I miss this simple shit :D find me a Datsik track that does not give me a headache and ill show u a liar lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQsHJG6k ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4RrbFVYdxQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGEO8Oue ... re=related

oh well, ill get my coat (and slippers)
lol its almost as if you completely ignore what anyone posts....
its not about your opinion man
its not about opinions
read all the above posts that pertain to you

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Re: Dubstep - Loosing its uniqueness?

Post by legend4ry » Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:02 am

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Soulstep wrote: My point is i just wanna hear more vibes
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Re: Dubstep - Loosing its uniqueness?

Post by legend4ry » Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:02 am

deadly habit wrote:still remember when i first was sent gizmo by datsik and no one had heard of him. hit like a ton of bricks reminded me of why i loved techy dnb so much just made it's way to dubstep
shame everyone and their mother took it to generic paint by number tunes
Yeah I remember when i got sent Quantization Error by Datsik, corr musta been 2-3 years back now(edit: Just checked the date created.. it was December 13th 2008)... It blew my mind, forgot about it and look now... :lol:
Soulstep wrote: My point is i just wanna hear more vibes
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Re: Dubstep - Loosing its uniqueness?

Post by titched » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:03 am

decree wrote:
serox wrote:Call me a dinosaur but I miss this simple shit :D find me a Datsik track that does not give me a headache and ill show u a liar lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQsHJG6k ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4RrbFVYdxQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGEO8Oue ... re=related

oh well, ill get my coat (and slippers)
lol its almost as if you completely ignore what anyone posts....
its not about your opinion man
its not about opinions
wtf are you talking about, of course it's about opinions! dude is saying he's feeling a certain sound -- he gave some examples. i listened to them. he says he prefers that to the dubstep coming out today - specifically datsik. i don't see a problem here. you know most of the posts in this thread have said LOOK AT ALL THIS INCREDIBLE STUFF THAT'S COMING OUT WOW DUBSTEP HAS SPLIT OFF IN A MILLION INCREDIBLE DIRECTIONS WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE ANY OF IT??? i'm not sure james blake and mount kimbie and addison groove -- whatever you may think of them -- are dubstep. i'm not sure serox does. why are they dubstep, because the tempo is in the vicinity of 140 bpm? maybe he likes some of that shiz or not (i dig addison groove).

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Re: Dubstep - Loosing its uniqueness?

Post by green plan » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:30 am

titched wrote:
decree wrote:
serox wrote:Call me a dinosaur but I miss this simple shit :D find me a Datsik track that does not give me a headache and ill show u a liar lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQsHJG6k ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4RrbFVYdxQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGEO8Oue ... re=related

oh well, ill get my coat (and slippers)
lol its almost as if you completely ignore what anyone posts....
its not about your opinion man
its not about opinions
wtf are you talking about, of course it's about opinions! dude is saying he's feeling a certain sound -- he gave some examples. i listened to them. he says he prefers that to the dubstep coming out today - specifically datsik. i don't see a problem here. you know most of the posts in this thread have said LOOK AT ALL THIS INCREDIBLE STUFF THAT'S COMING OUT WOW DUBSTEP HAS SPLIT OFF IN A MILLION INCREDIBLE DIRECTIONS WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE ANY OF IT??? i'm not sure james blake and mount kimbie and addison groove -- whatever you may think of them -- are dubstep. i'm not sure serox does. why are they dubstep, because the tempo is in the vicinity of 140 bpm? maybe he likes some of that shiz or not (i dig addison groove).
You seem a bit titched bro :lol:

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Re: Dubstep - Loosing its uniqueness?

Post by serox » Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:18 am

decree wrote:
lol its almost as if you completely ignore what anyone posts....
its not about your opinion man
its not about opinions
read all the above posts that pertain to you
Oh right, Ill keep my opinion to myself because you are telling me too? just sharing some music man, no one is forcing you to read.
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Re: Dubstep - Loosing its uniqueness?

Post by serox » Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:22 am

titched wrote:
wtf are you talking about, of course it's about opinions! dude is saying he's feeling a certain sound -- he gave some examples. i listened to them. he says he prefers that to the dubstep coming out today - specifically datsik. i don't see a problem here. you know most of the posts in this thread have said LOOK AT ALL THIS INCREDIBLE STUFF THAT'S COMING OUT WOW DUBSTEP HAS SPLIT OFF IN A MILLION INCREDIBLE DIRECTIONS WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE ANY OF IT??? i'm not sure james blake and mount kimbie and addison groove -- whatever you may think of them -- are dubstep. i'm not sure serox does. why are they dubstep, because the tempo is in the vicinity of 140 bpm? maybe he likes some of that shiz or not (i dig addison groove).
exactly.

Your also right, I dont think its Dubstep either, its Techno. That is not what Dubstep is was when it was called Dubstep. If someone had said this midrange Techno thing at 140 with a sine under it was Dubstep years ago everyone would have said jog the fuck on. I know some of you are going to say its 'evolved' but I am not buying it and think it would be better off with a new name because its just a mess now with everything is being called Dubstep, its lost its meaning.

This new wave of music people call Dubstep appears to be made by people who were from a different background when it comes to music compared to the guys making it a few years back and that is the key. The guys who were going out to and buying 12s of Garage/Jungle/Dub/Hip Hop were doing a different thing making music and calling it 138 or Dubstep and that was the shit for me and still is. Now all I hear is Massive basslines, VST arps that dont fit and cheesy samples with weak grooves lol.

The killer for me is that I was into oldskool Techno big time (still am) as I was finding this new shit people were calling Dubstep (maybe a bit late). Then as I spend more time getting into and trying to make it I see right before my eyes this sound go from something totally dark and original with loads of groove, turn into really generic Techno sounding cheese. Its not even like good Techno, I hate new style Techno too for the same reason I dislike most new Dubstep.

Computers are killing it lol. Everyones production now days is tight and its hard to get your own sound or vibe going, it all sounds too alike to me. Roland drum machines and an Akai sampler with some decent fx is really missing. With just these machines in your hands people seemed to spend less time flicking thru presets and whining on forums about how big their dicks were and spend more time learning how to use the 1 or 2 toys. Weather it was Hip Hop in New York in or Techno in Frankfurt Germany in 1992, people made some of the best music to me using them. I don’t know why exactly but they did for me. I think it is something to do with limiting what toys you have in your hands and learning to use them very well. Also having just a few toys and running them thru the same processing made things all gel and fit together and connected, who knows! :)

Each to their own. I am not saying I am right or that I know best but I can give my opinion. See you on the other side! :)
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