Reply from Rinse, RE: Barefiles

doomstep · Post by **doomstep** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:34 am

UFO over easy wrote:I don't see that this changes anything.

I think it does - even if its just in principle.

I've always thought barefiles.com would work as a donation run entity - you cant run a server on 'big ups' its true - perhaps I naivelly expect a %age of those bigg uppers to put their monies where they mouths are - so to speak.

Either way - I'm sorry if my initial reaction has caused offence - just how I felt upon first reading the orig emails.

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:40 am

There was a discussion about this on dubstepforum a while back, but nothing was finalised. There's a reason Deapoh left stuff out of his emails - nothing had been finalised, and all that was happening was ideas being thrown about. People weren't being kept in the dark and they weren't being misled.

You didn't offend me. In an ideal world everyone would be allowed to say their piece without risking being banned from fwd *cough*

josephine · Post by **josephine** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:41 am

Regardless of this whole Barefiles LTD thing, the thread seems to have lost its initial point. However it does need to be mentioned yet again that no donations to barefiles had been used to support barefiles as a ltd company.

Im happy that Rinse gave their side of the story. Although I do feel it has left a lot unanswered and isn't an appropriate response considering the amount of feedback given in Deapohs last thread.

I really wish Deapoh was allowed to comment on this situation, as its a very sensitive subject, however, Deapoh has been instructed NOT to respond to this thread. Which he will stick to. Thus I feel it imperative to voice my opinion as someone who has worked very closely to him with Barefiles and Baredubs.

This has never been about sides, this is about integrity and honour.

To claim that Deapoh is "distorting the truth" is a misrepresentation of the facts. Deapoh spoke nothing but the truth on all accounts and as a witness to all phone calls/ emails I know exactly what happened.

Deapoh made no secret about wanting to change the future of Barefiles, and can you blame him for wanting to make ends meet? If you worked for 2 years for free wouldnt you want a to have at least broken even, not lost a huge amount of money? I know I would. Barefiles will continue to host radio mixes FREE of charge. When Barefiles is up and running Deapoh will make a full announcement on all the changes. Just because he has done this for free since he was 16 does dont mean he has to continue losing money.

The dynamic of this thread is shifting, and we all need to focus on what Rinse's comments were. Remember, this is not about Deapohs work ethic, I think we are all very aware of that. Would you ask Ammo to post their profit margins/losses and gains? No you wouldnt. The same respect and courtesy should apply here also.

The email that Deapoh posted up was not taken out of context and Im sure he felt it inapproriate to post even more sensitive subject matter. But now that is done everyone can read it for themselves. Dont take anything at face value, im sure not all of you believe everything you read in the newspapers.

I hope that everyone can move forward from this and continue to support the Dubstep scene, regardless of your stance.

Blessings.

marsyas · Post by **marsyas** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:00 am

heh...ok.

this "response" didnt help much.

anyone with 2 brain cells knows barefiles is a great thing for pushing the sound.

imo...

deapoh's good, and a solid dude for puttin in a tremendous amount of effort.

sarah/ammunition's business practices are dodgey at best.
trying to buy up certain aspects of a scene, not cool.

people will still record rinse, unless you gotta pay to stream or it drops to like 9kbps.

barefiles will continue, if deapoh wants too.

that barefiles letter was pretty impressive !!

paying for radio mixes, maybe not the best idea.
in saying that, i have recorded mixes for barefiles before...and donated when it was needed...and would again.

incyde · Post by **incyde** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:57 am

rachel wrote: basically this whole thing smacks of dirty laundry. business is business - i buy tunes, i go to nights, i download sets. i don't really want to know abt the dealings that make all of this possible. as you were...

yeah wow. i agree i think its just best to leave your opinions to yourselves because even from reading the emails i think i wont be able to get a full idea of the "situation" nor do i need or want to know anymore. shit like this happens when you mix business and music thats just the way it goes.

i wish i hadn't said anything on the previous thread because its not really my business and i didnt know the whole situation at the time nor do i now. its just a conflict between them and conflicts happen, i dont think we should be judging either party because were not really directly involved. much respect to both rinse and deapoh.

and yes it sucks a lot that shit had to go this way, i didnt even really get to enjoy barefiles much before it went down. its a shame, but things like this happen. we all gotta adjust move on and keep pushin this scene in positive directions.

r33lc4sh · Post by **r33lc4sh** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:02 am

the bussiness aproach of both sides is disgusting.
fact that deapoh was instructed not to reply to ammo post is even more disgusting.

dublinstep · Post by **dublinstep** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:54 am

There's probably been too much bad blood between both sides at this stage to find a mediation/middle ground...

Here's an attempt anyway:

How's about Deapoh gets to host all the Rinse sets up to today that he's recorded, and gets to hang on to them for as long as he wants. i.e. he's put in the work in archiving them, I think its fair he has the right to host them.

But from today onwards, only Rinse can host Rinse sets off the station
that are broadcast from today onwards. That way Rinse get all the newer sets, and as Dubstep takes off, people will go check out both the old and newer sets.

Rinse.fm carries a notice saying "All Rinse sets before 20/03/07 can be found hosted on barefiles.com"
Barefiles carries a notice saying "All Rinse sets after 20/03/07 can be found on Rinse.fm"

A bit of give and take on both sides.
I also think nobody should be barred from a nightclub over it.

(fighting helps nobody and makes you really feel like shit, especially when its aired in public over the internet, I hope you's can find a way to sort it out amicably... fair enough you's both want to make some money, i'll omit my views on that, but dont let it eat you's up...)

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:58 am

We have been working towards setting this up for months now and we will be making sure that any re-hosting of our content gets stopped ASAP. We have the governing copyright protection agencies to help us control this (as we have the relevant licenses set up already)

This is the bit I feel is the crux of the matter.
Taking into account the fact that Rinse does not pay the artists - even if they have somehow found a way to make their online recordings legal, the fact remains that artists who have been used in Rinse sets will now feel put out?

Or maybe Rinse intends to start paying like any normal radio station? If not, why not? Of all the music scenes, surely dubstep is about supporting the artists?

Barefiles charging a yearly fee for access to its content feels acceptable to me, compared to Rinse attempting to make money directly from its own recordings. In reality, the boundaries are blurred.

Steve AC23 · Post by **Steve AC23** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:19 am

anyway fuck all this politricks.
can som1 link me to an mp3 of n-type n chef sets from yesterday please?

signus · Post by **signus** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:46 am

ac23 wrote:anyway fuck all this politricks.
can som1 link me to an mp3 of n-type n chef sets from yesterday please?

haha yeah I don't mind who/where the music is hosted I just want to hear it. All this business chatter is just hurting my head this early in the morning

Steve AC23 · Post by **Steve AC23** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:56 am

Signus wrote:
ac23 wrote:anyway fuck all this politricks.
can som1 link me to an mp3 of n-type n chef sets from yesterday please?
haha yeah I don't mind who/where the music is hosted I just want to hear it. All this business chatter is just hurting my head this early in the morning

glacial wrote:just in case you are not friendly with both megaupload and rapidshare:

http://dubstep.com.ua/download/Rinse_FM ... -03-07.mp3

(right click>save as)

Thanks for the recording:!:

rachel · Post by **rachel** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:27 am

Josephine wrote:
doomstep wrote:
rachel wrote:
autonomic wrote: Also, a lot of people donated financially to Barefiles which, sometime thereafter, became a limited corporation with a profit-driven business model.
seconded. maybe part of the nu marketing budget could be used to reimburse?
as someone that donated - im proper pissed

Did the fact that Deapoh maybe wanted to Register the Barefiles/Baredubs name inorder to copyright it and keep things legit never occur to anyone? And if you even know Deapoh you would know he is sincere and has only lost money. ALOT of money infact. The money he used to pay for the LTD registration came from his 18th birthday fund!!

Please think about things before making irrational and uninformed posts.

tbh, these are perhaps two of the least irrational posts that have come out of this whole discussion. i don't doubt that deapoh has lost money, but the fact remains that his initial post dressed up ammunition as money-hungry, business-oriented etc, whilst leaving the impression that barefiles would continue as a free resource. i don't feel any better or worse for knowing differently - i'd rather not have known at all - but it looks like everyone is looking at how to maximise their interests in some way or another. fair enough, way of the world etc.

anyhows, whilst donations maybe didn't pay for the ltd registration, this is really a moot point - they did help barefiles expand, which in turn made ltd registration a viable/worthwhile option. def an email to those who donated would have fixed that. in the scheme of all this, tho, it's minor...

anyways that's that for me and this topic. roll on ysi

flipw · Post by **flipw** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:54 am

rachel wrote:business is business - i buy tunes, i go to nights, i download sets. i don't really want to know abt the dealings that make all of this possible.

it's cool to keep your head in the sand if you want. I rarely watch the news and never read a paper.

I am however interested in the ethics of the companies behind the products and services I consume.

ramadanman · Post by **ramadanman** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:56 am

i've been thinking about it for a while now, and i think that rinse should have been more careful / professional in their approach to deaps. It's hardly unreasonable that they wanted to have Rinse sets coming from the rinse website, but you don't say "Can we buy bare files" in an email...should have made a formal offer. in addition the childish treatment afterwards such as not letting him into FWD is ridiculous coming from an established company! especially after all the help deaps has given them

as d range said there must have been other communication than these emails, as they seem to take a pretty dramatic turn half way through. anyhow, respect to rinse for replying

el sudor · Post by **el sudor** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:03 pm

barefiles doesnt NEED rinse sets.... maybe itll be a good thing and open it up to other djs and so on if you cant download sets from youngster, ntype and so on... just as barefiles helped rinse djs gain a bigger profile, maybe itll do the same to others who dont play on rinse.

i wouldnt mind paying a subscription to barefiles, its a company... their offering a service.. fair enough...

it would be good either way if some cash went to the artists... it could make dubstep a stronger and more independant, self sustainable genre.

batfink · Post by **batfink** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:20 pm

how does a company like Rinse FM protect its copyright when its an illegal venture?

"hi i own a pirate radio station and need to shut someone down who wants to host our illegally broadcasted mixes without our consent."

EH?

d-range · Post by **d-range** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:25 pm

J_J wrote:QUOTE:
Listen, Gee and I have been meaning to ask you; we want to buy barefiles from you, we could buy it off you, incorporate it into rinse and give you a cut of the company still?

I wanted to give you a chance to think about it... I'd like it if we could meet to talk about it?

Safe

sarah

great opportunity i think.

Yes, and it was a great opportunity to sell this forum when Rinse approached Dubway about it?

d-range

dirty · Post by **dirty** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:25 pm

Maybe be time for some damage limitation before both brands get too damaged.

It is quite similiar to You-Tube, big broadcasters realised that it cannot be stopped so some ended up providing content as a tease to get people to watch thier channels.

Dubstep is still about getting the sound out there at the moment, money will come later when the foundations are more solid.[/code]

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:52 pm

rachel wrote: i don't feel any better or worse for knowing differently - i'd rather not have known at all - but it looks like everyone is looking at how to maximise their interests in some way or another. fair enough, way of the world etc.

Business is business - no point looking for moral messages.

Barefiles obviously started from the love of spreading the sound, in much the same way as Ammunition and Rinse did presumably (and ammunition were putting out releases when dubstep was seen as a dying brand remember).

Hopefully we can get back to the music and keep the business bullshit out of things in the future.

d-range · Post by **d-range** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:59 pm

anyhows, whilst donations maybe didn't pay for the ltd registration, this is really a moot point - they did help barefiles expand, which in turn made ltd registration a viable/worthwhile option. def an email to those who donated would have fixed that. in the scheme of all this, tho, it's minor...

I wouldnt say expand.

The donations kept barefiles open when it was looking at closer due to lack of funds.

d-range

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