BAR 9's older shit...

[Pedro Sánchez]

Despite the fact he hasn't made anything worth listening to in years?? I didn't mean the music was any less good. Just that the artists aren't making anything new at the moment. It's like if someone started a thread saying how good jimi hendrix was...it's like, we know, everyone knows, but there's nothing new to hear about it so why mention it??

I think it's ABSOLUTELY worth mentioning:

1. Is Miles Davis or John Coltrane any any less relevant to the importance of jazz? Despite Toasty not making dubstep are his tunes any less influential?
2. I would venture to guess that 90% of dubstep fans who have gotten into dubstep in the last year have never heard of Toasty - by mentioning him, it offers them an opportunity to look into who else is out there besides Bar 9, Datsik, Excision, Mt. Eden, etc.
3. If you had a friend who played guitar and was really into rock music - but didn't know who Hendrix was, what he sounded like, or why he was important, wouldn't that make you facepalm?

This, which is why I posted the vid in jest, he's a benchmark artist by which a standard is set, if an artist that comes after can't meet the standard, then what is his or her relevance other than the 'next hype'. If the latest so called shit hot guitarist can't match Jimi Hendrix in style or forward thinking then Jimi Hendrix is more relevant.

[Swanwickk]

those tunes have nothing on this
SO FULTHY
NEW MT EDEN

[DZA]

You need to remove the word "older" from the title

[Jean-Luc Cougar]

You need to remove the word "older" from the title

This

[paravrais]

Despite the fact he hasn't made anything worth listening to in years?? I didn't mean the music was any less good. Just that the artists aren't making anything new at the moment. It's like if someone started a thread saying how good jimi hendrix was...it's like, we know, everyone knows, but there's nothing new to hear about it so why mention it??

I think it's ABSOLUTELY worth mentioning:

1. Is Miles Davis or John Coltrane any any less relevant to the importance of jazz? Despite Toasty not making dubstep are his tunes any less influential?
2. I would venture to guess that 90% of dubstep fans who have gotten into dubstep in the last year have never heard of Toasty - by mentioning him, it offers them an opportunity to look into who else is out there besides Bar 9, Datsik, Excision, Mt. Eden, etc.
3. If you had a friend who played guitar and was really into rock music - but didn't know who Hendrix was, what he sounded like, or why he was important, wouldn't that make you facepalm?

Two things, firstly, Hendrix is blues. Secondly, I don't think that would ever happen lol.

I think people are getting a bit too worked up here and missing my point. Sure if someone comes to you and says they are just getting into dubstep can you recommend them some tunes then point them in the direction of toasty or bar9 or whoever the hell you want.

ALL I'm saying is that I don't think it's necessary to create new threads in the production forum to post youtube videos of old bar9 and toasty tracks when anyone browsing on here is gonna know about them already. I mean the recent Eskmo thread was relevant because the album has JUST come out and is very forward thinking from a musical and technicaly perspective. But there's no reason to spam the forum up with threads about just any old tunes that you like. If I made a thread saying "Woa I just realised how good ruskos old stuff is, check out this song called 'cockney thug'" people would tear me apart lol

[Jean-Luc Cougar]

Two things, firstly, Hendrix is blues. Secondly, I don't think that would ever happen lol.

Yeah dude...

Just blues, definitely not considered rock...yeah, right - stop trying to intellectualize something that doesn't need it.

PS: On a scale of Blind Willie Johnson to Aerosmith, Jimi is more rock than blues. No denying Hendrix, Stones, Zeppelin, Cream, etc were blues influenced, but they took the influence and fused it with rock and roll to become the archetype of what the general public considers rock.

Back on topic: I would bet that 25-50% people on the forum don't know who Toasty is - wanna make a poll?

[abZ]

Yeah Hendrix defo rock. But yeah I think people have heard of Toasty but I am shocked at how many people never really sat down and listened. I personally know people real into dubstep that don't even give a shit about the pioneers of dubstep and will openly admit that. Just about the only genre out there that these type of people aren't mocked. Hiphop is like that too I guess. I know a lot of kids coming up that don't know about thier 70s and 80s hiphop. I dunno to each their own. I am a dj tho I make it my businesss to know my history all the way back to folk and blues.

[paravrais]

PS: On a scale of Blind Willie Johnson to Aerosmith, Jimi is more rock than blues. No denying Hendrix, Stones, Zeppelin, Cream, etc were blues influenced, but they took the influence and fused it with rock and roll to become the archetype of what the general public considers rock.

Hendrix was blues through and through 100%. Dylan didn't stop being blues when he went electric now did he (he may have stopped being good but that's another matter) Stones were rock and roll but Zeppelin were early metal and Cream are some sort of guitar based easy listening band aren't they?

It makes me sad when people think anything with an electric guitar is rock music :\ if anybody says the black keys are rock I'm gonna roll up to their house in my boxers and bitch slap them with my shlong.

Back on topic: I would bet that 25-50% people on the forum don't know who Toasty is - wanna make a poll?

That's not on topic at all, this thread was actually about Bar9s old music XD

[abZ]

PS: On a scale of Blind Willie Johnson to Aerosmith, Jimi is more rock than blues. No denying Hendrix, Stones, Zeppelin, Cream, etc were blues influenced, but they took the influence and fused it with rock and roll to become the archetype of what the general public considers rock.

Hendrix was blues through and through 100%. Dylan didn't stop being blues when he went electric now did he (he may have stopped being good but that's another matter) Stones were rock and roll but Zeppelin were early metal and Cream are some sort of guitar based easy listening band aren't they?

It makes me sad when people think anything with an electric guitar is rock music :\ if anybody says the black keys are rock I'm gonna roll up to their house in my boxers and bitch slap them with my shlong.

Back on topic: I would bet that 25-50% people on the forum don't know who Toasty is - wanna make a poll?

That's not on topic at all, this thread was actually about Bar9s old music XD

Dylan was folk not blues. Do you even know what blues is?

[Bloodstream]

is anyone going to this event too



will record Bar9

[JFK]

Dylan was folk not blues. Do you even know what blues is?

This. What are you on about Para?

[Depone]

Nah mate. Hendrix started with blues as a backing guitarist in many different blues groups...
and progressed to be the fore-father of rock. Hes not as you put it 100% blues, he did take his bluesy styles into his work. but i think your being anal when hes clearly rock.

[Bazzle09]

But there's no reason to spam the forum up with threads about just any old tunes that you like.

I didnt know about that toasty track.

Im glad i do now.

Thank you.

[paravrais]

Dylan was folk not blues. Do you even know what blues is?

This. What are you on about Para?

My bad, I actually meant to write folk, my brain got muddled cos we were talking about Hendrix lol. (to be fair dylan does have some bluesy influences too )

I can kinda see what people mean here, I guess Hendrix did evolve into a kind of psychedelic-blues-rock. I just meant that really at it's core it's mostly blues. It's all based on blues scales and the general 'feel' of blues is so prominent in his tracks. Had a think about it and decided I'm probably being hypocritical here as I always tell people off for calling Burial dubstep when IMO he clearly makes predominantly garage with heavy dubstep influences but it's still garage. I guess Jimi was playing rock with heavy blues influences. I just always associate the word rock with like the rolling stones and elvis etc which are miles away from Hendrix. Feels wrong to associate Hendrix with rock music, psychedelic and blues fit him so much more.

[paravrais]

PS: On a scale of Blind Willie Johnson to Aerosmith, Jimi is more rock than blues. No denying Hendrix, Stones, Zeppelin, Cream, etc were blues influenced, but they took the influence and fused it with rock and roll to become the archetype of what the general public considers rock.

Hendrix was blues through and through 100%. Dylan didn't stop being blues when he went electric now did he (he may have stopped being good but that's another matter) Stones were rock and roll but Zeppelin were early metal and Cream are some sort of guitar based easy listening band aren't they?

It makes me sad when people think anything with an electric guitar is rock music :\ if anybody says the black keys are rock I'm gonna roll up to their house in my boxers and bitch slap them with my shlong.

Back on topic: I would bet that 25-50% people on the forum don't know who Toasty is - wanna make a poll?

That's not on topic at all, this thread was actually about Bar9s old music XD

Dylan was folk not blues. Do you even know what blues is?

[-[2]DAY_-]

Hendrix definitely played the blues, no doubt. Also no doubt he was a rock artist. And as far as how he started, it was by backing up R&B acts. If u wanna label something 100% blues, try John Lee hooker, BB King, or something off Mingus' "Blues and Roots" album…

As far as Dylan goes, he was playing country/folk on acoustic, and with the band, he played rock and roll. Always considered himself a rocker. He started on electric in rock n roll garage bands with his friends.
The song "meet me in the morning" off Blood On The Tracks -- a blues, through and through.

See, the words are kind of restrictive.

[Jean-Luc Cougar]

I can kinda see what people mean here, I guess Hendrix did evolve into a kind of psychedelic-blues-rock. I just meant that really at it's core it's mostly blues. It's all based on blues scales and the general 'feel' of blues is so prominent in his tracks. I guess Jimi was playing rock with heavy blues influences. I just always associate the word rock with like the rolling stones and elvis etc which are miles away from Hendrix. Feels wrong to associate Hendrix with rock music, psychedelic and blues fit him so much more.

And by your definition the Rolling Stones, and Led Zeppelin would be blues as well, their usage of blues scales, chord changes, etc and even covering blues songs.
Check out how many times "blues" comes up here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rolling_Stones

You are being overly anal and intellectual.

Yes, Hendrix, Stones, Zep, etc were all inspired by, influenced by, and utilized lots of blues riffs/techniques/patterns but there is no denying they are the who defined the sound of modern rock and roll.

Also no denying that Bar 9 gives me the blues

[paravrais]

I can kinda see what people mean here, I guess Hendrix did evolve into a kind of psychedelic-blues-rock. I just meant that really at it's core it's mostly blues. It's all based on blues scales and the general 'feel' of blues is so prominent in his tracks. I guess Jimi was playing rock with heavy blues influences. I just always associate the word rock with like the rolling stones and elvis etc which are miles away from Hendrix. Feels wrong to associate Hendrix with rock music, psychedelic and blues fit him so much more.

And by your definition the Rolling Stones, and Led Zeppelin would be blues as well, their usage of blues scales, chord changes, etc and even covering blues songs.
Check out how many times "blues" comes up here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rolling_Stones

You are being overly anal and intellectual.

Yes, Hendrix, Stones, Zep, etc were all inspired by, influenced by, and utilized lots of blues riffs/techniques/patterns but there is no denying they are the who defined the sound of modern rock and roll.

Also no denying that Bar 9 gives me the blues

I've said already that the stones are clearly standard rock through and through. Zeppelin are one of the first metal bands though. Hendrix was so much closer to blues than those two bands.

And yes, I am overly anal and intellectual. I never claimed otherwise XD

[Jean-Luc Cougar]

I've said already that the stones are clearly standard rock through and through. Zeppelin are one of the first metal bands though. Hendrix was so much closer to blues than those two bands.

And yes, I am overly anal and intellectual. I never claimed otherwise XD

My point was you are wrong

You are saying they are "standard rock" when they are just as "blues" as Hendrix or probably even more so.

Anyway, let's stop arguing and derailing - I think we can agree that most 60's rock was very blues driven.

[paravrais]

I've said already that the stones are clearly standard rock through and through. Zeppelin are one of the first metal bands though. Hendrix was so much closer to blues than those two bands.

And yes, I am overly anal and intellectual. I never claimed otherwise XD

My point was you are wrong

You are saying they are "standard rock" when they are just as "blues" as Hendrix or probably even more so.

Anyway, let's stop arguing and derailing - I think we can agree that most 60's rock was very blues driven.

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