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showguns · Post by **showguns** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:11 am

metalboxproducts wrote:
-BLADE- wrote:Wiley -treddin on thin ice had some good tracks on it. also 2nd phaze
Purple is spitting bars with content...
I thought for a while that wiley could do a more socially concious thing. Perhaps not full on political though.

wiley's a bit too weird and introspective for that kinda thing it seemed.

obiwan · Post by **obiwan** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:59 pm

Yeah, I used to like KRS 1 a lot when I was younger, but I've heard a lot of people criticise the preachy, overly serious thing and started to notice it myself. There are a lot of different ways not just to be a simplistic arsehole in lyrics though, fine line I guess.
Purple's all good, but then you hear people he's down with or even him saying some pretty dodgy things about women etc. But all good on taking aim at Tony Blair! Wiley's always seemed like he's on the verge of taking on problems in London like wannabe gangsters, class A shotting and gun crime, but then brings out a succesfull tune called Gangstaz? And theres a lot of hearsay about his own extra-curricular activities not really being much different from what he says he's up against in the bars on Treddin on Thin Ice. It's not like I want Jesus or Buddha with a microphone, just someone I feel more people could relate to, like how musicians in the seventies were.

Jubz · Post by **Jubz** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:04 pm

KRS-1's good BECAUSE of the contradictions, preachyness and arseholeness, not despite it.

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:35 pm

Jubscarz wrote:KRS-1's good BECAUSE of the contradictions, preachyness and arseholeness, not despite it.

obiwan · Post by **obiwan** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:43 pm

Jubscarz wrote:KRS-1's good BECAUSE of the contradictions, preachyness and arseholeness, not despite it.

Yeah, I think so as well, but its mad how much credibility seems to matter in music, which is only a pleasing distraction at best.

showguns · Post by **showguns** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:44 pm

i love the story of how krs 1 and posse rolled on pm dawn at a concert and took over their show.

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:51 pm

showguns wrote:i love the story of how krs 1 and posse rolled on pm dawn at a concert and took over their show.

Pm Dawn was always shit and everything but, there was no need to punch the guy. Kind of puts Chris Parker into context really. Stop the violence?. Yes Chris.

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:54 pm

I love it how a thread about the cost of various tax fraud's can turn onto a thread about BDP/ KRS-1 and Pm Dawn...

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:25 pm

metalboxproducts wrote:I love it how a thread about the cost of various tax fraud's can turn onto a thread about BDP/ KRS-1 and Pm Dawn...

Shockin innit.

I dunno, you try and inform people and it just gets to chit chat about shit chatters - tut

obiwan · Post by **obiwan** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:40 pm

This coming from the guy who smokes weed because it gives him non-linear thoughts....

What was I making a pint about again?

obiwan · Post by **obiwan** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:40 pm

This coming from the guy who smokes weed because it gives him non-linear thoughts....

What was I making a point about again?

masstronaut · Post by **masstronaut** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:41 pm

Back on topic, it is utterly sickening how they can pay out the unlivable pittance that is JSA and make people feel like they are burdening 'the state'. And of course it's Jobseekers Allowance now, not Unemployment Benefit. If you can't prove that you've done all you can to stitch yourself up with a shit job then they can stop paying.

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:14 pm

masstronaut wrote:Back on topic, it is utterly sickening how they can pay out the unlivable pittance that is JSA and make people feel like they are burdening 'the state'. And of course it's Jobseekers Allowance now, not Unemployment Benefit. If you can't prove that you've done all you can to stitch yourself up with a shit job then they can stop paying.

Yeah, I can remember years back when it was dole, moved over to Brighton and then they paid me only 2/3rds UB because I'd quit my last job. If I'd have stayed in it, I would have had to travel 30 miles to commute back to it, which would have left me with no money on that shit wage.

Remember this is 2/3rds of what "the government says you need to live on", so essentially less than subsistence. Had to get a job in the end and it's been downhill since then.

There's also some good points made about the amount of pointless work (inspecting inspectors, finance industry, etc), which would indicate that the country could exist much better without 5+days a week working and another point that the shorter hours predicted from new technologies has been somehow lost by creating more and more pointless jobs to move towards full employment.

Part-time hours for all would be much better (less travelling thus less pollution, better morale, more time to spend with friends and family, more time to be put towards creative pursuits and further education, etc). Shame that pretty much all of the parties are more interested in individualist consumerism where those with money matter and those that don't are seen as parasites. It's interesting that the main parasites seem to be at the top of the food chain moneywise though. The self-determination means that a few live well off the efforts of others and everyone else is caught constantly living hand to mouth.

With all it's manufacturing gone, Britain pretty much exists off usury as it's main industry now. Seems a ridiculous percentage of people in this country are having to get indebted to banks in order to survive on low wages which seems to be more wage slavery than a profession.

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:42 pm

The thing is the people that benifit from full employment tend not to have

Shonky wrote: friends and family, more time to be put towards creative pursuits and further education, etc). .

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