REASON VS ABLETON LIVE

[abZ]

Ableton is just a DAW with a fancy way to get song structures down. it makes you think in loops and i don't think that's a good thing.

I used to think that too until someone pointed out to me you can just ignore the whole loop thing and use it exactly like a normal DAW if you wish. I've made a lot of songs in ableton and not one of them has used it's shitty loops feature.

Yep, ignorant statement IMO.

[qwaycee_]

Ableton is just a DAW with a fancy way to get song structures down. it makes you think in loops and i don't think that's a good thing.

I used to think that too until someone pointed out to me you can just ignore the whole loop thing and use it exactly like a normal DAW if you wish. I've made a lot of songs in ableton and not one of them has used it's shitty loops feature.

Yep, ignorant statement IMO.

other than session view, what makes ableton different than other daws? seems to me like session view is the main selling point.

[ohoi]

ableton is more oriented for live playing, sets or quick composing, especially love how quick i can put an idea onto it. actually use it through rewire into logic, as i don't like mixing and mastering on ableton, because of the aesthetic of the thing for that.. worst problem to me in ableton, don't know if they fixed it in 8 or not, but it's that you sometimes lose track of your signal path...
apart from that it's really better than reason, altough it's not even worth to comprare them, as they are distinct...

[abZ]

Sorry can't quote long posts on my mobile but Ableton isn't really different than other DAWs in a sense that it's just a means to the same ends. Such a nice workflow tho, that's what I like about it. It's intuitive at least for the way I am wired.

To the last poster, they did add track grouping that cleans shit up quite a bit when you have a lot of stuff going on. It's all in what you put into it.

Anyway lost track. You can't really say shit about something you don't know anything about. That is why I say ignorant statement.

[qwaycee_]

yea i don't know why i quoted you at all lol. i was just asking in general.

session view seemed to make the program.

[mks]

yea i don't know why i quoted you at all lol. i was just asking in general.

session view seemed to make the program.

Session view IS different from the other DAW's. It allows you to jam out ideas in a very musical way and then you can do your usual editing in the Arrangement view just like other DAW's. That, and like abZ said, the workflow is really refined. I feel like I can do things in Live with just one or two clicks, where it would be several clicks in other DAW's (but that might be hard to say, because I ditched Cubase etc 5 years ago..). I guess it just fit my work flow and allowed me to be really musical, yet you can get very technical when you need to.

EZ

[ohoi]

Sorry can't quote long posts on my mobile but Ableton isn't really different than other DAWs in a sense that it's just a means to the same ends. Such a nice workflow tho, that's what I like about it. It's intuitive at least for the way I am wired.

To the last poster, they did add track grouping that cleans shit up quite a bit when you have a lot of stuff going on. It's all in what you put into it.

Anyway lost track. You can't really say shit about something you don't know anything about. That is why I say ignorant statement.

That's good, but it still doesn't make the whereabouts of signal inside a routing more easy to acess at it's various points, at least not in extreme ocasions, does help a lot the caos on the mixer, still not gonna ditch logic to use ableton alone tho.

also a very good thing in ableton is that it spends very few of your processing memory, it's very light on the system, even if you're doing tons of shit..also very easy to learn and get used to if you have never used it before...

[paravrais]

Sorry can't quote long posts on my mobile but Ableton isn't really different than other DAWs in a sense that it's just a means to the same ends. Such a nice workflow tho, that's what I like about it. It's intuitive at least for the way I am wired.

To the last poster, they did add track grouping that cleans shit up quite a bit when you have a lot of stuff going on. It's all in what you put into it.

Anyway lost track. You can't really say shit about something you don't know anything about. That is why I say ignorant statement.

That's good, but it still doesn't make the whereabouts of signal inside a routing more easy to acess at it's various points, at least not in extreme ocasions, does help a lot the caos on the mixer, still not gonna ditch logic to use ableton alone tho.

also a very good thing in ableton is that it spends very few of your processing memory, it's very light on the system, even if you're doing tons of shit..also very easy to learn and get used to if you have never used it before...

Are you joking lol? I love ableton but it caaaaiiiins my computer hard. Maybe it's just cos the only other DAW I've really pushed to it's limits is reason...and it turned out it didn't have any XD reason never slows my comp down no matter how much shit is running. Once I hit like about 15 channels plus 10 drum channels I start to get some major grumblings from ableton...nothing I can't handle but it's a wee bit annoying.

[Dr Bloodnugget]

Reason is a more visual program. You see things laid out as they would be on a normal synthesizer instead of having to load vsts. It's great for messing around with different sounds (Routing parts of one synth into another). Probably a good program to get to grips with how synths and effects etc work. Anyway enjoy it. Knowledge of two DAWs rather than one is a bonus!

[ohoi]

Sorry can't quote long posts on my mobile but Ableton isn't really different than other DAWs in a sense that it's just a means to the same ends. Such a nice workflow tho, that's what I like about it. It's intuitive at least for the way I am wired.

To the last poster, they did add track grouping that cleans shit up quite a bit when you have a lot of stuff going on. It's all in what you put into it.

Anyway lost track. You can't really say shit about something you don't know anything about. That is why I say ignorant statement.

That's good, but it still doesn't make the whereabouts of signal inside a routing more easy to acess at it's various points, at least not in extreme ocasions, does help a lot the caos on the mixer, still not gonna ditch logic to use ableton alone tho.

also a very good thing in ableton is that it spends very few of your processing memory, it's very light on the system, even if you're doing tons of shit..also very easy to learn and get used to if you have never used it before...

Are you joking lol? I love ableton but it caaaaiiiins my computer hard. Maybe it's just cos the only other DAW I've really pushed to it's limits is reason...and it turned out it didn't have any XD reason never slows my comp down no matter how much shit is running. Once I hit like about 15 channels plus 10 drum channels I start to get some major grumblings from ableton...nothing I can't handle but it's a wee bit annoying.

dead serious i have a hard time getting ableton to be slow around here.

[abZ]

Ohoi I seriously don't know what you mean. The routing is a piece of piss IMO. I don't know what else to say about that. I honestly never get lost.

I think Ableton is easy on the proc. Especially if you use the built in samplers and shit and I don't know why you wouldn't. You can't really compare it to Reason. You have to compare it to another full featured DAW.

[paravrais]

Maybe my computer just sucks XD to be fair I normally use 2-3 drum racks for my drums then if I'm rewiring it's mostly audio channels linked to reason but if I'm not it's mostly high powered synths in every other channel and that drains things a bit.

I think if I used the freeze function more often I would save processing power too maybe...

[netrik]

Ableton

[paravrais]

Ableton

I think someone only read the thread title and didn't read any of the content now didn't they??

/patronising voice

[AJGR]

Ableton is just a DAW with a fancy way to get song structures down. it makes you think in loops and i don't think that's a good thing.

I used to think that too until someone pointed out to me you can just ignore the whole loop thing and use it exactly like a normal DAW if you wish. I've made a lot of songs in ableton and not one of them has used it's shitty loops feature.

Yep, ignorant statement IMO.

other than session view, what makes ableton different than other daws? seems to me like session view is the main selling point.

exactly, it's a fantastic innovation but what else is good about Ableton? it's got some pretty decent editing features but so has Pro Tools, Cubase and even Logic 9.

[paravrais]

Ableton is just a DAW with a fancy way to get song structures down. it makes you think in loops and i don't think that's a good thing.

I used to think that too until someone pointed out to me you can just ignore the whole loop thing and use it exactly like a normal DAW if you wish. I've made a lot of songs in ableton and not one of them has used it's shitty loops feature.

Yep, ignorant statement IMO.

other than session view, what makes ableton different than other daws? seems to me like session view is the main selling point.

exactly, it's a fantastic innovation but what else is good about Ableton? it's got some pretty decent editing features but so has Pro Tools, Cubase and even Logic 9.

Yeah...but the point isn't that Ableton is the greatest thing ever. All we are saying is that it's a really decent program. It's a major player amongst all the big names and for certain styles of production it has an edge over lots of the competition. You say what else is good about Ableton but what *isn't* good about it? It's got great inbuilt effects, the warp feature for mangling audio is excellent, it sounds great, the operator synth is pretty beast and the drum rack and sampler are both really good (imo, I prefer the drum rack to any other drum sampler i've used just for it's ease of use), it's got a great user interface and workflow, customisable colours lol. Could go on all day, it's an awesome program and one of the best DAWs there are

[abZ]

You are too modest. Admit it, it is the new sliced bread. You can't possibly make decent tracks on anything else.

[paravrais]

You are too modest. Admit it, it is the new sliced bread. You can't possibly make decent tracks on anything else.

I'd go so far as to say that anything made with another program isn't technically music!

[g00n]

adsf

[2nd chance]

Honestly, good tunes can be (and have been) made in both.