Why do deep heads seem to hate on the hyped stuff so much?!

[hellfire machina]

first and foremost, i'm a drummer, and i'll just come out and say it- ALL BROSTEP HAS BORING DRUMS. 100 PERCENT. THE SAME DRUM PATTERN. IN EVERY SONG

Yeah I agree with this, my only real beef with the sound
Kick
Snare

It's unbelievable!

[glottis5]

Personally I've heard a lot of terrible Mala wannabes that have no idea about production other than opening up reason, laying a kick n snare down n a sub n some gay flute! Swings both ways!

This is very true. Lame, boring and uncreative music is what pisses me off, not aggro dubstep. it just happens that most aggro dubstep is lame, boring and uncreative at the moment. doesn't stop me from loving coki, vex'd and jakes though

[2nd chance]

Deep = chronic crowd
Hype = MDMA crowd

Deep = people who won't stop complaining
Hype = people who won't learn the roots of the sound they like

Deep = dubstep
Hype = Dubstep

Now. ? We all just love bass anyway, right?

Big ups to this thread... I'm amazed it's gone on this long without flaming. Congrats, DSF, we've evolved from trolling pricks to debating pricks.

[brasco]

Hype = people who won't learn the roots of the sound they like

i don't think it is 'roots' though. as someone said earlier it is the true dubstep sound, which hasn't disappeared, its still there in droves.

yeah sure some of the hype crowd will never get it, but there are alot of misguided people out there. unfortunately YouTube channels, repetitive sounding nights, and that god awful facebook group aren't going to change that

[dro524]

Most of the tearout I've heard seems to have more emphasis on distortion, noise, and raw sounds with sub thrown on for effect or to make the track sound more powerful. The original dubstep sound was musical emphasis on bass. I prefer the latter.

[dj $hy]

Nothing against the DECENT hype stuff - i include it in my sets.

BUT Half the stuff ive heard recently ISNT dubstep. It's sound at 140 bpm which gets classed as dubstep.

I think its that reason why they arent popular with 'the originators'.

agreed

also, i think what is now considered as 'dubstep' to the mainstream or first time listeners is so different from the true underground sound that
the real dubby dubstep can breath again and people are picking up on it..... which spurs them onto a vast catalogue of great timeless tunes.

i do love a bit of 'aggs' but as darkside said production wise it has to be on a level when dealing with a desired outcome of mass appeal.

music is subjective at the end of the day and you can only like what you connect with, dont be force fed music.

my 2 pence worth anyway

keep doing what you do whatever you make

Yeah I get that, deffo a lot more crap around from that side of the camp and thats not good when new ears are picking up on Dubstep. Quality control from the wobble generation has always been an issue! Disagree with nylle, deep nights go off just as much just in a different way I guess. DMZ is a must!

Deffo agree with deadly about the how too's are creating a generation of bad tunes. If you think a good tune can be explained on a forum in 5 easy steps then your very wrong, more time needs to be spent. These days anyone can and do build amazing beats on the cheapest of software only through hard work.

Cal is bang on, its happened once already to DnB!

[deamonds]

first and foremost, i'm a drummer, and i'll just come out and say it- ALL BROSTEP HAS BORING DRUMS. 100 PERCENT. THE SAME DRUM PATTERN. IN EVERY SONG

Yeah I agree with this, my only real beef with the sound
Kick
Snare

It's unbelievable!

this is one of the reasons I hate it so much, like at least in 2005 the half step pattern still had some different elements in it, which enabled the flow of the track to sound 'less' halfstep (if you get what I am saying, creating that low slung/swing effect, alot of D1's early stuff, cocaine etc)

Now its just

KICK

SNARE

RAPE

KICK

SNARE

RAPE

[dj $hy]

first and foremost, i'm a drummer, and i'll just come out and say it- ALL BROSTEP HAS BORING DRUMS. 100 PERCENT. THE SAME DRUM PATTERN. IN EVERY SONG

Yeah I agree with this, my only real beef with the sound
Kick
Snare

+ screechy sound

This concept makes me laugh. Before this scene had a name, the tunes had various drum patterns and breaks, then it was like it became outlawed. People wanted it to be more rigid, everyone dropped 2 step and syncopated beats for half step, before long the old values became extinct making way for this new formula. I wonder if there were to be a resurgence of breakstep, would people embrace it or snub it?

Dutty Switch made a stellar point which has become apparent in this thread; those that got into the scene at a later point miss out on a lot and in most cases wont do the 'homework'. For instance, and this may shock a lot of people, but dubstep as a whole is not meditative music, it is an important aspect but it is by no means the crux of the sound.

I personally never felt like meditating when i heard "Said the Spider"

btw Paddy well played mate

Its funny right, it happened to what they used to call "breakstep", thats a forgotten sound these days right?! But there is the same mentality to "hyped" as there was to "breakstep" these days. I mean calling it a different music to Dubstep (IMO) is a lil silly and for one reason, take away said metal bass and what do you have? Something very similar to a deep track, insert acustic sounds and your not far off....

I think its important to know where the sound has come from but I'd have said that if the younger or newer ears were anything like me they would have searched and found the older stuff in days! I used to travel for hours to Brighton via countless trains just for £15 worth of records!

[NickUndercover]

Brostep can keep on going, it hasn't killed the deeper sound. Call me selfish, but if all these half-deaf people believe dubstep started with Eastern Jam I don't really care, it'll just keep the deep sound from all that shitty marketing stuff. Although I love throwing Mud to make them shut their fucking mouths.

[badger]

I feel that in some cases jealousy is to blame.

absolute awful argument that i see getting trotted out all the time. it may be the case for producers of dubstep who feel overlooked but i'd have thought that a lot of people who dislike either camp aren't producers or DJs. why do people always fall back on that argument when someone doesn't like soemthing?

I think its important to know where the sound has come from but I'd have said that if the younger or newer ears were anything like me they would have searched and found the older stuff in days!

[pete_bubonic]

Its funny right, it happened to what they used to call "breakstep", thats a forgotten sound these days right?! But there is the same mentality to "hyped" as there was to "breakstep" these days.

Disagree, all the heads I know who never play or got into Brostep or whatever it is (myself included), but were in Dubstep from day, loved the likes of Toasty, Search and Destroy, Oris Jay and alike!

[herbalicious]

I think its important to know where the sound has come from but I'd have said that if the younger or newer ears were anything like me they would have searched and found the older stuff in days!

Yep pretty much this. I came to the scene late (about '08), but being the sort of person I am, I immediately look back. I've put so much time and effort into looking at the roots, early days and progression of this sound that it makes it all the more amazing to me.

I still think the best musical period of the scene was '04-'06 and could listen to those tunes forever...it's a shame a lot of people who come across this music now may never come to appreciate those tunes...or in a lot of cases...even ever hear them.

I think this is key. If someone were to go back and properly listen to those tunes back then...and still don't like them? Fair play. But I'd imagine it would change the views and tastes of a lot of kids if they did.

[rogue star]

Its funny right, it happened to what they used to call "breakstep", thats a forgotten sound these days right?! But there is the same mentality to "hyped" as there was to "breakstep" these days.

Disagree, all the heads I know who never play or got into Brostep or whatever it is (myself included), but were in Dubstep from day, loved the likes of Toasty, Search and Destroy, Oris Jay and alike!

I think he means in terms of the midrange aspect, but that is about as far as the similarities go. Heavy use of filters, original bass sounds and syncopated rhythms is what defined breakstep (i am not fond of the term fyi; it is as if it wasn't good enough to be counted as dubstep, the term was coined to seperate certain artists from others by people who weren't wholly involved with said sound).

Bear in mind also that the average age for people in the scene in the early days was around 24/25, now it is around 18. Also when it started, there weren't too many new comers to production, everyone came from their respective backgrounds and brought something to the table. That is what made up the diverse palette of sounds. Now people are starting and developing their art within the scene - sorry for going slightly off topic

[dj $hy]

Its funny right, it happened to what they used to call "breakstep", thats a forgotten sound these days right?! But there is the same mentality to "hyped" as there was to "breakstep" these days.

Disagree, all the heads I know who never play or got into Brostep or whatever it is (myself included), but were in Dubstep from day, loved the likes of Toasty, Search and Destroy, Oris Jay and alike!

Yes but the term "Breakstep alone was created because the other style condemned it as not dubstep and I'm not being funny but where is all the breakstep then?! I mean there is heads pushing it but it was the more popular side of Dubstep that overshadowed it! it used to be massive, check the 1st Dubstep weekend on 1xtra! My point I guess is I like all aspects of Dubstep and dont hate on any cos I appriciate what each bit is doing and I just dont understand the hate from within a scene. Maybe from a DnB side I can understand the hate but within yoru own camp seems weird to me!

As the tune goes...

Everyman do his ting a lil way different!

[skotyb]

also, i think what is now considered as 'dubstep' to the mainstream or first time listeners is so different from the true underground sound that
the real dubby dubstep can breath again and people are picking up on it..... which spurs them onto a vast catalogue of great timeless tunes.

This is what I'm loving about dubstep, been into it properly for only 2 years and i'm still hearing tunes that are from back in the day that are blowing my mind.

It's great.

[bunzer0]

my main issue about filthy stuff is purely a semantic one
and am not even speaking about that drumstep ting...
am always wondering where is the DUB ?

got nothing against it even i don't play that stuff myself but i think it is time now for those artists to be fully responsible and to take another name...

calling that dubstep is pretty opportunistic imho

it is a question of sound grammar I would say
all the mid ranges work is coming from d&b so for me it is all disguised d&b in dubstep

sure it works and brings energy to kids on the dancefloor but then when u play deep u got people asking you to play dubstep...
Once I was playing an Horsepower tune and a kid came to me asking me to play dubstep... Made the same effect as someone asking me playing some funk while am playing Sex Machine by James Brown (which happened to me too in another life...)

so I bet it is a mutual misunderstanding cause now they are not the same ting at all anymore...

just my 2 cents

[Rahul]

my main issue about filthy stuff is purely a semantic one
and am not even speaking about that drumstep ting...
am always wondering where is the DUB ?

got nothing against it even i don't play that stuff myself but i think it is time now for those artists to be fully responsible and to take another name...

calling that dubstep is pretty opportunistic imho

[dj $hy]

my main issue about filthy stuff is purely a semantic one
and am not even speaking about that drumstep ting...
am always wondering where is the DUB ?

got nothing against it even i don't play that stuff myself but i think it is time now for those artists to be fully responsible and to take another name...

calling that dubstep is pretty opportunistic imho

it is a question of sound grammar I would say
all the mid ranges work is coming from d&b so for me it is all disguised d&b in dubstep

sure it works and brings energy to kids on the dancefloor but then when u play deep u got people asking you to play dubstep...
Once I was playing an Horsepower tune and a kid came to me asking me to play dubstep... Made the same effect as someone asking me playing some funk while am playing Sex Machine by James Brown (which happened to me too in another life...)

so I bet it is a mutual misunderstanding cause now they are not the same ting at all anymore...

just my 2 cents

See I dont get that Bun... Cos at what point do you cross a line? Skream tracks for instance are Dubstep but he makes stuff that fit both sides, Raw Dogs, CTO for example. I know they are not AS mental as Mr S maybe but how'd you split them? Same applies to a lot of other "Dubstep" producers too...

[bunzer0]

my main issue about filthy stuff is purely a semantic one
and am not even speaking about that drumstep ting...
am always wondering where is the DUB ?

got nothing against it even i don't play that stuff myself but i think it is time now for those artists to be fully responsible and to take another name...

calling that dubstep is pretty opportunistic imho

it is a question of sound grammar I would say
all the mid ranges work is coming from d&b so for me it is all disguised d&b in dubstep

sure it works and brings energy to kids on the dancefloor but then when u play deep u got people asking you to play dubstep...
Once I was playing an Horsepower tune and a kid came to me asking me to play dubstep... Made the same effect as someone asking me playing some funk while am playing Sex Machine by James Brown (which happened to me too in another life...)

so I bet it is a mutual misunderstanding cause now they are not the same ting at all anymore...

just my 2 cents

See I dont get that Bun... Cos at what point do you cross a line? Skream tracks for instance are Dubstep but he makes stuff that fit both sides, Raw Dogs, CTO for example. I know they are not AS mental as Mr S maybe but how'd you split them? Same applies to a lot of other "Dubstep" producers too...

just meant intolerance is coming from both sides at different points

[thegooddrsdoctor]

sure it works and brings energy to kids on the dancefloor but then when u play deep u got people asking you to play dubstep...
Once I was playing an Horsepower tune and a kid came to me asking me to play dubstep... Made the same effect as someone asking me playing some funk while am playing Sex Machine by James Brown (which happened to me too in another life...)

so I bet it is a mutual misunderstanding cause now they are not the same ting at all anymore...

just my 2 cents

the other day was talking to a friend about artists we hope get put on the bill at some festival. buddy of mine said he wanted to see jack sparrow, scuba & guido, but said he didn't wanna see any dubstep acts. i just kinda sat there like ... ?? asked him what he meant, said he didn't wanna see borgore, bassnectar or skrillex, etc. i had to agree with him as those artists don't interest me either, but it was hard to convince him that the previous artists he mentioned do in fact produce dubstep. it was like trying to convince someone that addiction is a disease.