Is The Web Destroying Creativity? (from Seed Magazine)

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Is The Web Destroying Creativity? (from Seed Magazine)

Post by alphacat » Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:00 pm

For those of you who are unfamiliar with Jaron Lanier, he's a pretty fascinating guy.

No college degree, totally self-educated, a dread (not that it matters, but) - and the guy who coined the term "Virtual Reality" among other things. He's currently doing a residency at UC Berkeley. Oh, and he's jammed with Philip Glass, Ornette Coleman, George Clinton, Vernon Reid, Terry Riley, Duncan Sheik, Pauline Oliveros, and Stanley Jordan. You know... on the side. :o

Anyway... Seed is a great site with a lot of good readin', but this seemed especially relevant to us here. I don't agree with everything in it - but it's good food for thought, anyway.
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The Web hasn’t been designed to do anything. And so it doesn’t do anything, much less anything smart, creative, or suggesting awareness.

Imagine, if you will, a Borg cube from Star Trek humming along through space, part of a fleet of such cubes, each with millions of drones participating in a spatially non-localized brain of billions.


Now imagine that this collective Borg brain has a headache. The camera zooms inside one of the cubes and we see the source of the problem: a dreadlocked alien has awakened, and he’s raging through the ship, ripping up the neural wiring that connects the Borg drones to one another. Suddenly disconnected from the collective, the drones are waking up and finding themselves for the first time.

Although this rabble-rousing nerve-cutter might sound like the actions of a Klingon, as the camera gets closer we realize it’s actually a human.

Closer still and we realize that—holy crap!—it’s Jaron Lanier, author of the book, You Are Not a Gadget: A Manifesto (Knopf, 2010).

Lanier may be physically grounded on the Earth and not battling Borg, but he is battling a collective, trying to wake up somnolent drones. The collective in his sights is the Web. And the drones? Well, that’s you and me.

Although Lanier is more civil than your average Klingon on a righteous ransack, one senses (even without the “manifesto” tip-off) that just below the surface is an individual bent on a revolution.

In fact, what comes across most clearly in the book is Lanier’s distinct and unique individuality. He brims with novel ideas, from the origins of speech and music (he speculates that it connects to color signaling in cephalopods), to radical kinds of programming languages (without protocols), and to new ideas for virtual reality (e.g., altering our perceptions so that we experience life as billowy clouds). Although many of these ideas are not entirely crucial to his central thesis, they serve to illustrate that it is in individuals, not collectives, where we find the lion’s share of creativity. These novel ideas also serve to convince the reader to trust Lanier’s intuitions about where creativity comes from.

And Lanier’s main thesis? It is that the Web is a creative bust.

Twenty years ago one would have expected something like the Web to have liberated the creative spirits inside tremendous numbers of people who had not previously had such an outlet. Instead, Lanier argues, the Web has caused the evolution of creativity to stagnate.

Where, Lanier asks, are the radically new musical genres since the 1990s? Technological change seems to be accelerating, and yet the development of novel forms of musical expression appears to have not merely slowed, but stalled altogether. We’re listening to non-radical variations on themes that existed two decades ago, Lanier argues. (Although I agree with his feeling in this regard, he and I may be too far removed from the last two decades of music to distinguish any ongoing revolutions, something he is quick to admit is a possibility.)

The music has stopped, Lanier suggests, because the Web—as currently structured, at least—does not value individual creators. Sure, you can now put your music onto the Web and, in principle, have the world listen. But because very few people have figured out how to make any money by giving away their creative products on the Web, most composers end up setting aside their musical endeavors for any paying job as soon as Mom kicks them out of the house.

More generally, he challenges readers to point to the new generation of people living off their creativity on the Web. They’re harder to find than a Borg at a bowling alley.

Contrary to the prevailing idea that consumers on the Web should not be obligated to pay individual human content-creators for their work, Lanier is adamant that music and human-created information should not be free. Creativity that goes unpaid leads to a novelty- and diversity-impoverished intellectual world dominated by material that takes minimal effort to produce—think LOLcats. Creative artists get cut out, and all that remains are the content distributors, like YouTube, who become fabulously rich.

That might be something some of us would be willing to live with, if it were nevertheless the case that the Web, by virtue of its vast interconnectivity and complex emergent properties, was smart enough to turn our drone-ishly dull works into things greater and more beautiful. That’s what clouds, or colonies, or collectives, are meant to do: Take large numbers of meager parts, and uplift them into something larger and smarter at the level of the whole.

And “smart collectives” do indeed exist. Social-insect colonies are the common example of stunning intelligence emanating from underwhelming individuals. Even our human-built machines are smart collectives: For instance, my personal computer’s hardware is built from hundreds of thousands of unimpressive parts, and my word-processing software is a collective of operators and terms working together as a single functional whole. I’ve even shown in my research that city road networks are rather like brains, in terms of their scaling laws.

If all these collectives can be, in some capacity, brilliant, why can’t the Web itself? Who needs creativity from individuals when there’s a super-creative hive-mind capable of doing it much better?

The beliefs underlying these questions are increasingly common in today’s techno-utopian world, and they need to be dispelled.

But as important as it is to Lanier’s thesis to do so, he doesn’t succinctly elucidate the source of the misconceptions about where smart collectives come from.

Here’s what, in my experience, people tend to tell themselves: Smart collectives result from liberal servings of self-organization and complexity. Why? Because the most brilliant collectives that exist—those found in biology, such as our bodies and brains built out of hundreds of billions of cells—are steeped with self-organization and complexity. And, the intuition continues, the Web also drips with self-organization and complexity. The Web therefore must be smart. And because the Web is growing and evolving over time, the Web must be getting ever smarter. Perhaps some day it will even become self-aware!

This is entirely wrong. Although “self-organization” and “complexity” are strangely seductive (even if no one is quite sure what they mean), neither is key to a smart collective. My computer is a smart collective without having self-organized, and crystals are dumb despite having done so. And although “complex” may well apply to all smart collectives, most intuitive notions of “complex” also apply to countless ridiculously stupid collectives, such as creamer poured into a cup of coffee.

No, the key to smart collectives is not to be found in these buzz words, but rather in something often overlooked or strangely derided: design.

The smart and amazing machines in the world—whether functioning as software, hardware, organisms, insect colonies, or creative brains—have undergone tremendous design, whether via deliberate engineering or some variety of selection (e.g., natural, or cultural). Smart biological collectives do indeed self-organize, but it is only a negligible fraction of all self-organizing creatures that make it through the process of natural selection. The result is “design,” without which the parts would “self-organize” into some functionless mass, like the unwieldy tangles that power cables seem to inevitably form when thrown loosely into a drawer.

And to be mind-like, the collective must not only have undergone design, but design for mindhood.

The problem with the Web is simply this: The Web is not really designed for anything. The structure of the Web is characterized by its interconnectivity, and that depends on how individual sites choose to connect to one another. The Web’s large-scale interconnectivity isn’t designed by engineers, and it is also not a consequence of selection mechanisms capable of implicitly leading to anything one would call “design.” Selection does happen, but at the level of the individual sites within the Web, not at the level of the entire Web.

If there were, say, many functionally distinct Webs, and they competed with one another over time, with some growing and some dying, Web selection would be possible. The surviving Webs might well end up exceedingly good at some things. But that’s not happening. And even if it were, there’s no reason to expect that the surviving Webs would be selected to fill the creativity gap that humans left open. It’s more plausible that they would be selected to minimize the time taken for consumers to find products—to be efficient shopping mechanisms, not mind-like entities at all.

The Web itself hasn’t been designed to do anything. And so it doesn’t do anything, much less anything smart, creative, or suggesting awareness.

If the Web is crushing human creativity, as Lanier argues, then there’s no solace to be found in looking to the Web itself, as a collective, to fill the creative shoes humankind needs.

The question we are left with is whether the Web’s current trajectory can be reversed, and a new human-centrism brought back. Or, instead, might it be that resistance is futile?

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Re: Is The Web Destroying Creativity? (from Seed Magazine)

Post by AllNightDayDream » Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:08 pm

-w- Really?

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Post by Badman Juice » Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:11 pm

tl;dr
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Post by Phigure » Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:48 pm

good read. as much as I love the internet, I have to agree. the internet has done amazing things for humanity, and is inarguably one of the most significant things we've ever done, but in a a way, it's made information and content too accessible, which has the side effect of lowering the value of true creative works.

the only thing that bugged me was this bit:
Where, Lanier asks, are the radically new musical genres since the 1990s?
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Post by Shum » Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:56 pm

Thinking on too large a scale in his argument. Yes accessibility brings in the lowest common denominator types but at the same time helps build creative links for everyone else, a shining example is dubstep.

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Re: Is The Web Destroying Creativity? (from Seed Magazine)

Post by AllNightDayDream » Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:12 am

Shum wrote:Thinking on too large a scale in his argument. Yes accessibility brings in the lowest common denominator types but at the same time helps build creative links for everyone else, a shining example is dubstep.
Exactly. That's why I think it's hilarious it was posted here of all places

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Post by alphacat » Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:29 am

AllNightDayDream wrote:
Shum wrote:Thinking on too large a scale in his argument. Yes accessibility brings in the lowest common denominator types but at the same time helps build creative links for everyone else, a shining example is dubstep.
Exactly. That's why I think it's hilarious it was posted here of all places
And that's exactly one of the reasons I posted it here. I wonder what his standard for "new musical forms" is in the first place.

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Post by Phigure » Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:36 am

alphacat wrote:
AllNightDayDream wrote:
Shum wrote:Thinking on too large a scale in his argument. Yes accessibility brings in the lowest common denominator types but at the same time helps build creative links for everyone else, a shining example is dubstep.
Exactly. That's why I think it's hilarious it was posted here of all places
And that's exactly one of the reasons I posted it here. I wonder what his standard for "new musical forms" is in the first place.
i think he was really just referring to evolution of mainstream music (or lack thereof). I mean, 20 or 30 years ago, even mainstream music was evolving pretty quickly, and for the last decade or so it seems like it's just a rehash of the same formula over and over again.
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Post by abs » Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:38 am

it's pretty obvious he means in pop culture, he even admits he's too detached from what's going on today in music to really mean that.

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Post by AllNightDayDream » Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:42 am

alphacat wrote:
AllNightDayDream wrote:
Shum wrote:Thinking on too large a scale in his argument. Yes accessibility brings in the lowest common denominator types but at the same time helps build creative links for everyone else, a shining example is dubstep.
Exactly. That's why I think it's hilarious it was posted here of all places
And that's exactly one of the reasons I posted it here. I wonder what his standard for "new musical forms" is in the first place.
Obviously way too edgy for our web-repressed minds -w-

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Post by HRKRT » Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:49 am

i think that whilst it may be limitating on a personal level, on a collective level it is very powerful

take for example the average producer, who because everyone else is giving stuff away for free is pretty much forced to do so himself. however in the long term people become more aware of the music that he is pushing, and through the internet his music inspires others to do the same kind of thing and the sound develops rapidly. so collectively it has a positive effect
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Re: Is The Web Destroying Creativity? (from Seed Magazine)

Post by kay » Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:54 am

Well, he does concede that he could be wrong on that particular point.

I picked out this one:
More generally, he challenges readers to point to the new generation of people living off their creativity on the Web.
I'd hazard that there are proportionately as many people living off their creativity on the Web as there are people living off their creativity in real life.

I'd say the analysis of the situation doesn't go far enough. It stops just at saying that the web is mindless and therefore isn't conducive to a growth in intelligence/creativity. It brings up the fact that there is no competition in the design of the internet and hence it's not evolving to improve. But that is blatantly exactly what's going to happen next. The next big thing isn't going to be a faster internet connection, or more efficient methods of streaming data. It will be Internet 2.0, then 3.0 and so on, where the whole thing does gain more intelligent structure. The internet's only been around in its current form for what, 15 years? Check back in another 15. Most new technologies take a good 20 years at least before they start taking off.

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Post by test_recordings » Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:11 pm

This guy is looking in all the wrong places for lack of creativity (how uncreative) but there is probably a higher proportion of generic and repetitve crap about compared to the early 90s.

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Post by wub » Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:31 pm

Nicely written article, prose was nowhere near as offensively trite as I imagined it would be. Shame about the gaping flaw in his 'no new genres since the 90s' statement which renders the entire thing null & void.

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Post by WatchYourStep » Sat Jan 08, 2011 2:02 pm

Badman Juice wrote:tl;dr
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Post by karmacazee » Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:09 pm

I'm quite sure that humans are naturally collaborative, and that the problem with the internet is that too many individuals are trying to be individuals, seeing it as a platform for their egos as a result of the development of individualism. That's not to say individuals don't come up with ideas of worth and originality, but I definitely think great things come from collaboration.

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Post by test_recordings » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:25 pm

Japan's come up with loads of stuff and they're not classed as individualistic, they're probably more creative than Europeans. I've found that as soon as money becomes involved people stop being creative as they try play it safe to keep the money coming in (#cough# dubstep #cough#)
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Post by apmje » Sun Jan 09, 2011 1:43 pm

HRKRT wrote:i think that whilst it may be limitating on a personal level, on a collective level it is very powerful

My thoughts exactly.

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Post by boomstix » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:47 am

skimmed the article because his main points are waste: 'there are no new genres in the last 20 years... but he admits he may be out of touch'. yeah... good one. why bother to get in touch and actually learn about it when you can just spout crap that you already admitted you didn't research and is obviously wrong.

even if he wants to limit 'music' to mean 'pop music' then he needs to recognise that pop music as an industry only really took off after the second world war. so it's a flash in the pan compared to the history of actual music and in no way represents what is going on creatively or culturally. we've moved on to new things already and that industry is evapourating.

no one makes a living from creativity on the net... yeah, except the whole fucking web design industry. google, facebook, multi billion dollar businesses based on creativity on the net.

the web is like the telephone. it's a tool to do things. what you use it for is up to you. don't expect it to do the work for you.

ironically, a quick google search could have saved him from embarrassing himself with these hopelessly out of touch views.

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Post by Shum » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:51 am

boomstix wrote: ironically, a quick google search could have saved him from embarrassing himself with these hopelessly out of touch views.
:cornlol: love this.

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