sending demos to labels which use "naughty" plugs..

[DannyDubstep]

The label's can't tell... They're not gunna be like...
"Right you're track's awesome, we're just about to release it, but first, let me have a gander at your computer to check if you're using cracked software."

It's like the corner shop down the road from me selling cigarettes to underage kids, they might have a suspiscion that the kid is underage, but they still sell them cigarette because it's business.

The label will still sell your music because it's business.

I bet even if you said "Hi I crack software and I look at midget porn." , the labels would still go ahead and release your stuff.
Chill owt!

[SubVox]

Which plugins are they?

[Echoi]

why pay when you can get it for free

By that you surely mean, why pay when theres so much good freeware available right?

And not the other thing

[MKRUGGER]

15.. No Job.. Can't afford software.

When I get as rich and famous as DatsikExcisionSkrillexRuskoChasingShadowsLilWayneFluxPavilionEminem..

Then I'll buy software.

Until then, I'm not really costing the creators any money, nor am I giving them money.. But I would if I had the cash...

[paravrais]

15.. No Job.. Can't afford software.

When I get as rich and famous as DatsikExcisionSkrillexRuskoChasingShadowsLilWayneFluxPavilionEminem..

Then I'll buy software.

Until then, I'm not really costing the creators any money, nor am I giving them money.. But I would if I had the cash...

Again, what's wrong with free software??

Also I don't think you should be as successful as the artists you listed before you should pay for things :s if you had *any* job you should. I'm unemployed and all my software was still paid for legit. Just had to sell stuff like one of my old guitars to make money for Alchemy!

[deadly_habit]

why pay when you can get it for free

so the developers get paid to keep working on it, fix bugs and add features
what's your job? do you like getting a paycheck? why don't you just do it for free?

[MKRUGGER]

15.. No Job.. Can't afford software.

When I get as rich and famous as DatsikExcisionSkrillexRuskoChasingShadowsLilWayneFluxPavilionEminem..

Then I'll buy software.

Until then, I'm not really costing the creators any money, nor am I giving them money.. But I would if I had the cash...

Again, what's wrong with free software??

Also I don't think you should be as successful as the artists you listed before you should pay for things :s if you had *any* job you should. I'm unemployed and all my software was still paid for legit. Just had to sell stuff like one of my old guitars to make money for Alchemy!

It's just pushed in your face that you should have certain software, because of all these big names [Massive, etc.. ], you don't hear about the free stuff, so you just want the top name stuff..

I totally understand why a lot of people frown upon pirating, because the developers need to be paid for their hard work, I understand that.

I just don't have the means to pay for software, I don't think I'm hurting the creators by using their software without paying.. I will eventually pay, once I have the money for it.

I don't have things to sell in order to pay for software, all I've got is my Computer and 2 Midi craps... I need that stuff ;D

Point me in the direction of some freeware? I'll make use of it, if it's good of course... I would rather use the freeware, than steal. I just don't know about any freeware VST's / Synths .. So yeah, suggest some and I'll surely use them.

Although, I'm sure some of the best producers started out pirating software, then payed once they got the means to pay for it... The companies that create the software get profit in the long run.

So I support pirating to an extent.. Kill me... Much better things to do than worry about some kids pirating software, it's not THAT big a deal... People are getting killed right now, make a thread about that.

[zerbaman]

Personally, I've never payed for any software, but swear on my grave that as soon as I make some money off music, I'll delete all pirate software and buy it back!
I send tracks to labels anyway though.

Come to think of it, I don't even use the pirated stuff, just on 3xOsc and some freeware effects to make all my sounds these days.

[thefrim]

i would worry more about uncredited samples, for instance I heard BBC Radio 1 wants to play a tune I've released. problem is it ALLEGEDLY has a big uncredited chopped up sample of a funk hit... ALLEGEDLY

now i'm shitting my pants cause what if it becomes popular and then the unnamed funk band comes out of nowhere and sues my poor college student ass for everything I'm worth (which at the moment is a few cents in my bank account and like a dollar in my pocket?)

so yeah i doubt native instruments will come out of nowhere and shit down your friends throat cause they somehow guessed that his copy of massive was cracked or w/e

EDIT: and obviously since then I've never used a musical sample. i had no idea when I wrote that tune in 2009 that it would be released i just did it for myself

[zerbaman]

why pay when you can get it for free

common courtesy

[Sirius]

why pay when you can get it for free

common courtesy

there is no such this as common courtesy!!

cracked software...

it's like fucking your cousin... shits good, but ya don't talk about it!!

!!chea

[deadly_habit]

i never get the, once i make some money off it, i'll pay for it argument.
do you enjoy your hobby?
when you were a kid and playing a sport did you steal the things you needed in order to play and say i'll pay when i become a famous athlete?
do you say the same for other hobbies you enjoy that require supplies?
that's not how the world works, it's an investment, and odds are if you don't even have the respect to pay and support the foundation of the industry you want to break into, even if you do, why should anyone then in turn pay for your material or shows?

[amphibian]

If Mt. Eden can get big by writing a new beat for entire tracks, I'm sure your friend can get away with creating his own sounds using pirated software

Just bear in mind - if you like it, buy it when you can. There's also a stack of free stuff that is just as good, sometimes better (The TAL stuff is superb!)

[Demian]

I never felt compelled to pirate any synths since the free ones were so good.

I couldn't resist getting Alchemy though, and I have to say it's the best $249.00 I ever spent.

[Ldizzy]

mang... i dont even understand the purpose of this thread...

do u ...r friend... feels THAT guilty ????? sounds like he wants to confess some stuff... really...

please imagine me sounding like im smiling and talking to u as a friend cuz i dont want it to sound like a blatant diss.. but : ur being ULTRA paranoid mate... how are people gonna guess about one's misdemeanor??? besides by reading their posts and scanning their ip address??? and then scrolling thru their download history from east-european servers hosting warez sites... man ur in deep shit

and then : only in my wildest dreams ive imagined a label would even look at my project files.. dont these guys want a somewhat finished product???? or am i being a noob (i wish to learn). i thought ud send them audio tracks.. and stuff...

besides... dont do the crime if u cant do el tiempo

[paravrais]

i never get the, once i make some money off it, i'll pay for it argument.
do you enjoy your hobby?
when you were a kid and playing a sport did you steal the things you needed in order to play and say i'll pay when i become a famous athlete?
do you say the same for other hobbies you enjoy that require supplies?
that's not how the world works, it's an investment, and odds are if you don't even have the respect to pay and support the foundation of the industry you want to break into, even if you do, why should anyone then in turn pay for your material or shows?

Great post.

As for some advice for free/cheap software, firstly there's Reaper which IS NOT FREE but it *is* very cheap compared to other DAWs so a great choice for people who struggle to afford one of the hideously expensive ones. I believe Renoise is also very cheap. A lot of companies also do 'light' versions of their software for barely any p's which can then be upgraded to full versions at a later date.

Then VSTs, I actually wrote out all my favourite freeware in another thread the other day, took me ages to find but here it is :s

DSK Akoustik Keyz - Piano synth/sample thing

Dblue Glitch - Feature packed glitch effect + more

Cableguys Curve - Cool little analogue and wavetable VSTi

Roger Nichols Digital Inspector - Spectral Analyser + peak meter

CamelCrusher - Distortion unit

GRevDelay - Cool delay unit but like...it's reversed.

NI Kore Player/Kontakt player/Reaktor player - minimal editing features but basically gives you a load of presets for these pricey NI products for free!

StringZ2 - Strings synth

Gtune - little device that tells you what note a sample is playing.

Atlantis Filter - I barely even know how to use this still, so jam packed with features it should be illegal.

Crystal VSTi - Very complex synth, don't really use this but it can make amazing sounds if you can be bothered to learn it lol.

Oatmeal - Fiddly buy decent synth.

SQ8l - Makes no sense to me but produces some awesome sounds.

[logic pro]

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=73393

complete free used and tested freeware portable studio.
no need to pirate shit.
big up futures untold for that.

[hakka]

Deffo get Camel Crusher, things a beast!

Anyone recommend any other Bitcrushers?

[deadly_habit]

cmt bitcrusher standard
that is like the massive of bitcrushers and is free

[lightshapers]

wow this thread is awesome love the bit about uncleared samples & radio 1