the situation in egypt

[ghandi]

Used to live there, the mu'haburaat (secret police) are bastards. Cuss'om Mubarek, we'e ragil illi gab'uh kamaan.

Egyptians see themselves as one, which is their strength, and why this could never happen in India.

[bagelator]

Hague repeated western ambiguity towards the regime. "It is not for use to try to choose the rulers of other countries. For the moment we should concentrating on advocating the right response."

but it's fine to depose and choose leaders if it's Afghanistan or Iraq.

[bagelator]

So then when someone wants another revolution they just kill the next leader?

This is how Mubarak came into power in the first place, isn't it?

more or less. Mubarak is just part of the canon of US funded state terrorists that brutalise their own people and when the yanks get tired of them and a better opportunity arises to consolidate US interests they back the opposition. Same that happened with Hussein in Iraq.

[this is obviously massively simplified]

[clifford_-]

So then when someone wants another revolution they just kill the next leader?

This is how Mubarak came into power in the first place, isn't it?

more or less. Mubarak is just part of the canon of US funded state terrorists that brutalise their own people and when the yanks get tired of them and a better opportunity arises to consolidate US interests they back the opposition. Same that happened with Hussein in Iraq.

[this is obviously massively simplified]

And we all know if they can start a war, theyll be in profit for as long as their troops are out there. Shame how they kill people for a bigger profit margin.

[esfandyar]

now the egyptian govt just revoked al jazeera's broadcasting license!

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middl ... 94161.html

[TSH-Tim]

woooow when will this end.......

[jameshk]

woooow when will this end.......

hopefully when mubarak steps down or is killed.

[TSH-Tim]

There's some evil in this world for sure

[Devry_Kaneda]

woooow when will this end.......

hopefully when mubarak steps down or is killed.

My bet is on a rigid theocracy taking Mubarak's place.

Happened in Iran, is happening in Iraq...

[nowaysj]

^ my fear.

[noam]

woooow when will this end.......

hopefully when mubarak steps down or is killed.

My bet is on a rigid theocracy taking Mubarak's place.

Happened in Iran, is happening in Iraq...

if what is going on in Egypt is a CIA/British caused series of civil uprisings and revolution then yes.

if we have nothing to do with it who knows... im struggling to think of examples where we haven't had anything to do with it.

ahhhh - Venezuela. Chavez is in power and still saying fuck you to the west.

[Devry_Kaneda]

What I'm worried about is oil prices...

The Suez canal is basically the oil artery to the west...

[noam]

update focussing on the economic factors in the uprising

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, facing a popular revolt against his rule, has ordered Ahmed Shafiq, the new prime minister to preserve subsidies, control inflation and provide more jobs.

Protesters who have rocked the nation of 80 million people, a key US ally in the Arab world, complain about surging prices and the growing inequality in the society but have also called for a new political system.

"I require you to bring back confidence in our economy," Mubarak said in a letter to Shafiq, read on TV on Sunday.

"I trust your ability to implement economic policies that accord the highest concern to people's suffering.

"I stress that subsidy provisions in their different forms must not be tampered with and that your government just challenge all forms of corruption," Mubarak said.

'Wider participation'

Mubarak's letter to Shafiq hinted opposition parties could gain more freedoms but was short on specifics.

"I also stress the need for moving seriously and effectively towards more political reforms, in the constitution and legislation, via extensive dialogue with the parties ... allowing their wider participation."

Mubarak sacked his cabinet on Saturday after days of unprecedented demonstrations across the country, appointing former air force chief Ahmed Shafiq as his new prime minister.

But Shafiq has yet to name his cabinet.

Mubarak said Egyptians had expressed their legitimate demands during the past week of protests but that "religious slogans" had penetrated their ranks - a reference to the Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt's largest opposition group banned by the government.

He said they had "striven to cause chaos", leading to the disorder and looting of recent days.

Security forces suddenly withdrew from the streets of Egyptian cities en masse on Friday after spending the day combating the protests.

A report on the state news agency Mena on Sunday night said Mubarak had also discussed political reforms with US President Barack Obama in a telephone call.

"(Mubarak) expressed his determination to continue with more steps on political reform that respond to the aspirations of the Egyptian people for a free, democratic society," the agency said.

The six days of unrest have killed more than 100 people, rattled global investors and stunned regional and Western leaders who looked to Mubarak as a bulwark against Islamists and support for Middle East peace negotiations.

[jiba]

Here are some more intense images from the last few days:









http://www.facebook.com/album.php?fbid= ... aid=278001

[nowaysj]

What I'm worried about is oil prices...

The Suez canal is basically the oil artery to the west...

Can't recall if you're american or not. Canada and Mexico are out largest suppliers of oil.

[ghandi]

Can't see a theocracy taking over, this is about jobs and the economy's dependent on tourism. Years ago after a massacre of tourists in Luxor there was a massive public backlash against militant Islamists. Egypt is extremely moderate compared to somewhere like Pakistan (though they all quite happily cut off their daughters clits when they're six , perhaps the one thing I can say in Mubarek's favour, he, or at least his wife, tried to do something to stop this).

[nowaysj]

Can't see a theocracy taking over, this is about jobs and the economy's dependent on tourism.

Yeah, no doubt. I don't think that ideology is consistent with a generalized Egyptian identity, but that doesn't mean that extremists won't try to seize power, and use the means that they've used elsewhere, ie explosive underwear.

[hutyluty]

While the army back mubarak nowts gonna happen

[TSH-Tim]

Those pictures are ****ed up ..........

[phrex]

''graffiti from the uprising in Cairo''

http://www.occupiedlondon.org/cairo/?p=121