Unsatisfied with the current dubstep sound ?

[paulie]

To be honest, it's all very well making tunes with different influences and in different styles, but the common thing with 99% of the tunes I've been sent by "up n comers" in the last year is that the production isn't up to it. If you're doing something genuinely different and the tunes sound good (i.e. both in a club and at home) then I for one will take notice. Recouping money on releases isn't something I'm concerned with - if a tune is good I will release it. But the bottom line is not many people are making good tunes.

[kidkut]

To be honest, it's all very well making tunes with different influences and in different styles, but the common thing with 99% of the tunes I've been sent by "up n comers" in the last year is that the production isn't up to it. If you're doing something genuinely different and the tunes sound good (i.e. both in a club and at home) then I for one will take notice. Recouping money on releases isn't something I'm concerned with - if a tune is good I will release it. But the bottom line is not many people are making good tunes.

Completely agree, get sent stuff with alot of good ideas but only a few people's production is up to scratch.

Although i wuoldnt want things going the way of mainstream dnb where you have production quality over ingenuity we shouldnt forget the former.

Joe, Dubcovert, Sully and Shonky are a few of the people who i feel are hitting both criteria...

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I would also like to point out im all for projects that encourage artists to push the envelope, so see this one as a good thing, but i dont agree that there isnt diversity in the current 'dubstep' sound, theres loads of variety imo.

[shonky]

To be honest, it's all very well making tunes with different influences and in different styles, but the common thing with 99% of the tunes I've been sent by "up n comers" in the last year is that the production isn't up to it. If you're doing something genuinely different and the tunes sound good (i.e. both in a club and at home) then I for one will take notice. Recouping money on releases isn't something I'm concerned with - if a tune is good I will release it. But the bottom line is not many people are making good tunes.

Shouldn't that read 99% of tunes you've heard you didn't think the production was up to it. I wouldn't say that Hot Flush represents the top 1% personally, although I'm sure others might disagree.

Not a personal dig, but surely if you're the one that's picking the tunes and putting them out, then it's really just your taste isn't it and doesn't really reflect the larger audience, although you'll have a disproportionate effect on what's considered hip at the time. Plenty of tunes are getting out there and grabbing attention while completely bypassing self-appointed tastemakers.

[poseidon]

To be honest, it's all very well making tunes with different influences and in different styles, but the common thing with 99% of the tunes I've been sent by "up n comers" in the last year is that the production isn't up to it. If you're doing something genuinely different and the tunes sound good (i.e. both in a club and at home) then I for one will take notice. Recouping money on releases isn't something I'm concerned with - if a tune is good I will release it. But the bottom line is not many people are making good tunes.

Well i stand corrected on the recouping losses belief.

Please send the folders of the music you reject over to me.

[kidkut]

To be honest, it's all very well making tunes with different influences and in different styles, but the common thing with 99% of the tunes I've been sent by "up n comers" in the last year is that the production isn't up to it. If you're doing something genuinely different and the tunes sound good (i.e. both in a club and at home) then I for one will take notice. Recouping money on releases isn't something I'm concerned with - if a tune is good I will release it. But the bottom line is not many people are making good tunes.

Shouldn't that read 99% of tunes you've heard you didn't think the production was up to it. I wouldn't say that Hot Flush represents the top 1% personally, although I'm sure others might disagree.

Not a personal dig, but surely if you're the one that's picking the tunes and putting them out, then it's really just your taste isn't it and doesn't really reflect the larger audience, although you'll have a disproportionate effect on what's considered hip at the time. Plenty of tunes are getting out there and grabbing attention while completely bypassing self-appointed tastemakers.

Thats what he's saying those as far as i read it, its his opinion on what he has been sent, it wasnt a statement against dusbtep as a whole...

[cogent]

To be honest, it's all very well making tunes with different influences and in different styles, but the common thing with 99% of the tunes I've been sent by "up n comers" in the last year is that the production isn't up to it. If you're doing something genuinely different and the tunes sound good (i.e. both in a club and at home) then I for one will take notice. Recouping money on releases isn't something I'm concerned with - if a tune is good I will release it. But the bottom line is not many people are making good tunes.

Completely agree, get sent stuff with alot of good ideas but only a few people's production is up to scratch.

Although i wuoldnt want things going the way of mainstream dnb where you have production quality over ingenuity we shouldnt forget the former.

Joe, Dubcovert and Sully and Shonky are a few of the people who i feel are hitting both criteria...

/edit

I would also like to point out im all for projects that encourage artists to push the envelope, so see this one as a good thing, but i dont agree that there isnt diversity in the current 'dubstep' sound, theres loads of variety imo.

These are valid points, and what i'm saying isn't a dig to either of you or anyone but when an up n comer gets no constructive feedback from labels it's hard to up their game...

Quite a few people i speak to say the same, we'd rather be made aware of what you ain't feeling about the track than nothing...

and from a label boss' point of view i understand that you are busy and giving detailed feeback to everyone is impossible...

then on the other had what one label will dislike another may like which sorta goes back to the original point of not writing a tune to sound like everyone elses...

[fushimi]

To be honest, it's all very well making tunes with different influences and in different styles, but the common thing with 99% of the tunes I've been sent by "up n comers" in the last year is that the production isn't up to it. If you're doing something genuinely different and the tunes sound good (i.e. both in a club and at home) then I for one will take notice. Recouping money on releases isn't something I'm concerned with - if a tune is good I will release it. But the bottom line is not many people are making good tunes.

Shouldn't that read 99% of tunes you've heard you didn't think the production was up to it. I wouldn't say that Hot Flush represents the top 1% personally, although I'm sure others might disagree.

Not a personal dig, but surely if you're the one that's picking the tunes and putting them out, then it's really just your taste isn't it and doesn't really reflect the larger audience, although you'll have a disproportionate effect on what's considered hip at the time. Plenty of tunes are getting out there and grabbing attention while completely bypassing self-appointed tastemakers.

I think he meant that the technical quality of the production wasn't up to being played out on a big rig.

[shonky]

@Kidkut - read it again says 99% of production isn't up to it

And I'm not going to stick up for "dubstep - right or wrong", I generally buy old garage and jungle re-releases nowadays.

Cheers for the name check btw

[kidkut]

@Kidkut - read it again says 99% of production isn't up to it

And I'm not going to stick up for "dubstep - right or wrong", I generally buy old garage and jungle re-releases nowadays.

Cheers for the name check btw

I realise what he has written mate, i just dont think he is commenting on every thing because he wouldnt of been sent everything.. i think you're taking things a bit too literally.

No worries, good tunes.

[paulie]

To be honest, it's all very well making tunes with different influences and in different styles, but the common thing with 99% of the tunes I've been sent by "up n comers" in the last year is that the production isn't up to it. If you're doing something genuinely different and the tunes sound good (i.e. both in a club and at home) then I for one will take notice. Recouping money on releases isn't something I'm concerned with - if a tune is good I will release it. But the bottom line is not many people are making good tunes.

Shouldn't that read 99% of tunes you've heard you didn't think the production was up to it. I wouldn't say that Hot Flush represents the top 1% personally, although I'm sure others might disagree.

Not a personal dig, but surely if you're the one that's picking the tunes and putting them out, then it's really just your taste isn't it and doesn't really reflect the larger audience, although you'll have a disproportionate effect on what's considered hip at the time. Plenty of tunes are getting out there and grabbing attention while completely bypassing self-appointed tastemakers.

Did I say Hotflush represents the top 1%?

99% of the tunes I've been sent by "up n comers"

No I didn't.

For me, personal taste is everything. I don't put out tunes cos I think they will sell, I put them out because I like them.

The point I was reacting to was someone saying someone had made a 4/4 tune and it didn't get picked up, but everyone loves Mala's 4/4. They don't love it because it's 4/4, they love it because it's good.

[spaceboy]

stuff laurie and i think its dj headhunter (?) was playin at fwd last week was sick...

[shonky]

Ok Paulie, fair enough. I would say that the 4/4 tune I heard was actually good though. It wasn't so much of a statement of how labels view it, more of how the herd instinct operates - if someone that isn't a well known dubstep producer takes a new angle, it's more likely to be viewed favourably than someone who isn't.

This seems to be born out by the amount of tunes coming from bigger names that often seem to be ploughing the same furrow as previous releases which seem to be well received whilst (IMO) superior tunes more or less fall by the wayside. There still seems to be quite a lot of the who you know rather than what you do ethos operating, but then it's probably that my tastes differ to others.

And yes, it would be very dumb to release tunes you hated

[the wiggle baron]

I heard a tune by "scream" or something that was pretty outside the box, 2d i think he called it...

[paulie]

This seems to be born out by the amount of tunes coming from bigger names that often seem to be ploughing the same furrow as previous releases which seem to be well received whilst (IMO) superior tunes more or less fall by the wayside.

I'd like to hear these tunes.

[ikonika]

i dont think u can really force prodcuers to create something more innovative, i think thats abit unfair...what u could do is just wait...theres no doubting that dubstep is slowly devolping into something greater and more challenging but sometimes u have to accept that some people quite like the generic sound of 140bpm half step shizzle it happens in all scenes

[sully_shanks]

i dont think u can really force prodcuers to create something more innovative, i think thats abit unfair...what u could do is just wait...theres no doubting that dubstep is slowly devolping into something greater and more challenging but sometimes u have to accept that some people quite like the generic sound of 140bpm half step shizzle it happens in all scenes

if people dont buy the mediocre stuff then it wont last...
as you say tho ppl seem to like the generic sounds. same is true of most music. lowest common denominator n all that...

[seckle]

as with anything creative, there's no real litmus test as to what meets the bar and what doesn't. it's so subjective. what makes me buy a tune on vinyl is a very hard thing to describe because every tune i buy i buy for a myriad of reasons. there's party tunes, and things that any crowd will go off for, and then there's tunes that take you on journeys, and you get lost in the sound a bit. it's a vibes thing.


a good way to explain this further without ruffling feathers, which is not my intention, is someone like dillinja for example. dillinja is on my top ten producers of all time list. his production skills are simply next level. he personally changed dnb production standards, in a genre that was full of innovators. when tunes like angel's fell and silverblade came out, nothing sounded like them. he raised the bar on his own back.
that said, i think 75% of the tunes he writes these days should've never have been cut, but even the latest valve tunes; on a production level are still miles above the rest of the genre.

[misk]

i REALLY dont know why people are so offended by this title. i saw the title, and it spoke to me, mostly because i want to do something different, and i'd love to be apart of this.

people need to chill out.

and regarding my earlier remark, whether or not intoccabile is a better producer than flower-thrower guy is irrelevant. i was joking around... and being obnoxious... peeps need to chill, so lets all have a good time:



theres the party, look at 'em! their waiting for us to just jump right in!

[numaestro]

This seems to be born out by the amount of tunes coming from bigger names that often seem to be ploughing the same furrow as previous releases which seem to be well received whilst (IMO) superior tunes more or less fall by the wayside.

I'd like to hear these tunes.

Me too - PM me and send me 320s and I'll play them - if they are as good as you say!

[scarecrow]

People bitch and moan too much on this forum.