looking for a symbol

[noam]

that and something with the E


there seems to be a lot of confusion about entropy. Some say everything goes from a more ordened state to a less ordened state. Some say that some things also go from a less ordened state to a more ordened state..

the way i think about it is if we're talking scientific most things go from an excited state to a neutral state so from low to high entropy yeah?

there are different definitions of entropy according to the field you're talking

but if you mean whats the correct definition of the transition between a highly excited state like a hot gas to a cool vapour and whether that is low to high entropy or high to low... then i dont know, i would have thought that since its a scientific term the definitions would be rigidly assigned no??

[2manynoobs]

that and something with the E


there seems to be a lot of confusion about entropy. Some say everything goes from a more ordened state to a less ordened state. Some say that some things also go from a less ordened state to a more ordened state..

the way i think about it is if we're talking scientific most things go from an excited state to a neutral state so from low to high entropy yeah?

there are different definitions of entropy according to the field you're talking

but if you mean whats the correct definition of the transition between a highly excited state like a hot gas to a cool vapour and whether that is low to high entropy or high to low... then i dont know, i would have thought that since its a scientific term the definitions would be rigidly assigned no??

yes just read about it. The term entropy has a lot misinformation.

I'm not talking about one in particular, I've just realized there are more meanings to the word:

Briar Patch #3. "Entropy is disorder" (Entropy is NOT disorder!)

This confusion about disorder and entropy comes from an 1898 statement by a brilliant theoretical physicist whose mathematical contributions to thermodynamics and entropy are still totally valid. However, his attempt to interpret entropy in simple language was incorrect because only after his death in 1906 came an understanding of molecular behavior. Order/disorder became increasingly obsolete to apply to entropy and the second law when the existence of quantized energy levels in physics and chemistry was generally accepted after the mid-1920s.

Although order/disorder is still present in some elementary chemistry texts as a gimmick for guessing about entropy changes (and useful to experts in some areas of thermodynamics), it is both misleading and an anachronism for beginners in chemistry. It has been deleted from most first-year university chemistry textbooks in the US.. In the humanities and popular literature, the repeated use of entropy in connection with "disorder" (in the multitude of its different common meanings) has caused enormous intellectual harm. Entropy has been thereby dissociated from the quintessential connection with its atomic/molecular energetic foundation. The result is that a nineteenth century error about entropy's meaning has been generally and mistakenly applied to disorderly parties, dysfunctional personal lives, and even disruptions in international events. This may make pages of metaphor but it is totally unrelated to thermodynamic entropy in physico-chemical science that actually does impact our lives. It is as ridiculous as talking about how Einstein's relativity theory can be applied to a person's undesirable relatives in Chicago.

[2manynoobs]

http://entropysimple.oxy.edu/content.htm

thats the site


fig 2.0


fig 2.1

The “old” Chinese symbol of Ying-Yang (Fig. 2.0) explains entropy. However, it does not detail the different stages in which matter goes through as the Indian picture of “Ying-Yang” (Fig. 2.1) in which the stage of one “ying” has higher entropy until it becomes “yang.” Likewise, “yang” in turn becomes “ying”. This represents “repetition.” Note that four stages are depicted. Two stages are intermediary and two extremes

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[noam]

they feel strongly about entropy dont they...

[2manynoobs]

they feel strongly about entropy dont they...

?

What is entropy? How is it related to the second law?

Entropy is simply a way to measure quantitatively what the second law of thermodynamics describes: the dispersal of energy in a process in our material world. Entropy is not a complicated concept qualitatively. Most certainly, entropy is not disorder nor a measure of chaos — even though it is thus erroneously defined in dictionaries or pre-2002 sources.

[pompende]

[nowaysj]

inb4, dammit he's already in here.

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[parson]

entropy is half the yin yang. it's the darkside.

[2manynoobs]

entropy is half the yin yang. it's the darkside.

why?

Entropy is simply a way to measure quantitatively what the second law of thermodynamics describes: the dispersal of energy in a process in our material world.

what does yin / yang refer to? Is it physical or also metaphysical ? Is it like the above and below?

[2manynoobs]

inb4, dammit he's already in here.

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[cityzen]

what does yin / yang refer to? Is it physical or also metaphysical ? Is it like the above and below?

Yin-yang refers to everything, but perhaps more importantly, it refers to nothing.

[noam]

what does yin / yang refer to? Is it physical or also metaphysical ? Is it like the above and below?

Yin-yang refers to everything, but perhaps more importantly, it refers to nothing.

surely neither is more important...

but it sounded nice so fair enough!

[parson]

a yin yang inside of a yin yang would be as above so below. when you have embedded geometry thats what it's sayin

[2manynoobs]

still don't quite get it

[parson]

every part contains the whole

[parson]

this says as above so below

that kingpin keystone thingie at the top is important too

[2manynoobs]

is that what they mean by as above so below? fractals?

I alsways thought of it as the energy's in the upper worlds that correspond to the energy's of the lower or physical world

[parson]

[parson]

is that what they mean by as above so below? fractals?

I alsways thought of it as the energy's in the upper worlds that correspond to the energy's of the lower or physical world

fractals

[2manynoobs]

this says as above so below

that kingpin keystone thingie at the top is important too

isn't that kingpin keystone at the top essential to get it?