the importance of a good EQ

[symmetricalsounds]

do you find you have issues with just the filters in the simpler/sampler of the auto filter too?

[nowaysj]

Learning a new daw is like moving to another country and learning a new language. Yes you can do it, but it will set you back considerably. You have a very good daw with a totally unique workflow. Put your head down, stop looking around, and get back to work.

[iamjoncannon]

you all realize you can right click on the ableton eq and choose "high quality" mode, right?

[babylonjunkies]

i don't think its a big deal to make a song in one daw then mix it down in another. i like composing in ableton, then exporting all my audio into logic and doing the mixdown and adding some more production. there's nothing wrong with abletons plug ins. i just prefer using logics reverbs, compressors and eq's. personally i think they sound better, and cos its my music ill do what i want. i feel you can be much more clinical with your eqing and filtering in logic. i just love composing in ableton. it's better to be proficient in 2 daws then 1. but don't try learning them at the same time. master one first (i use the term master very very loosely.

[Redderious]

Live is the only DAW i have ever used, only one i own, and i would think it would be smart to change that. How can i know for sure which DAW works best for ME if im not familiar with any programs except for the one?

I plan on purchasing a fair amount of plugs sometime soon, after i buy my fest tickets for the summer that is. But if i plan on using all these vst plugs vs. the native ones in Live, why not try a new daw? I also noticed that on alot of online music shops, if you go to the Software/DAW section and then switch the sorting to highest rated/most popular, Live is usually far below all the other brands. I think there might be some reason behind this, you know?

The complexity of creating a track in one program, and then sending the project to a seperate one for the mix down. Let's say creation in Logic, and mix in Live(or vice versa). What would you say that is? I do like the workflow i get out of live, but then again, i have nothing to compare it to.

There is literally no point making a track in one program and mixing it in another :s if you are going to move to another DAW do it, don't go half way.

That said you are seriously mistaken about Ableton being less popular :s

exhibit a: http://futuregarageforum.com/viewtopic. ... 0&start=75

exhibit b: http://www.dnbscene.com/forums/index.php?topic=72.0

Good links, thanks bud!

I'm in love with this forum! With the exception of a select few, every single member is tremendously helpful!
No joke, i feel like ive gained an extra 2-3 months of experience by just staying on DSF and reading through/posting threads while im at work everyday.
I've never had a favorite website, untill now!

[Gurnumsbug]

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[symmetricalsounds]

So what native VST EQ's do you guys prefer?
After reading this thread I would sure like to give some others a try on my next track

http://dmgaudio.com/index.php?_view=products.product.0

[nowaysj]

What is the deal with that eq? Why so hyped?

[symmetricalsounds]

What is the deal with that eq? Why so hyped?

cos it's good? also priced really well

grab the demo and hear for yourself, worth checking out the demo of compassion too.

[nowaysj]

Can't do it. hehe. Won't do it. Just curious.

And what's the dealio w/ compassion hehe.

[symmetricalsounds]

Can't do it. hehe. Won't do it. Just curious.

And what's the dealio w/ compassion hehe.

compassion

[nowaysj]

Been there, read about it. Would be interested in hearing from a knowledgeable user.

[symmetricalsounds]

Been there, read about it. Would be interested in hearing from a knowledgeable user.

well i don't really know what else to say about it. it's a compressor/expander with limiter + transient shaper, all in one dynamics processor. the thing that sets it apart though is just the fact you can change just about everything so attack/release curves etc... which means you can theoretically make it behave like any other compressor around.

it's just very flexible.

EDIT : not sure if i count as a knowledgeable user

[nowaysj]

Knowledgeable enough!

So to use this thing, you've got to understand the different attack curves of other comps or you can still use your ears? I'm a little skeptical, don't you find the most configurable device is the least used because it requires the most input to achieve results? I like simple devices that produce predictable results and have a relatively narrow focus. Haha, but maybe that's because I'm just lazy and ignorant.

I'm a bit behind the times, so I'm late to transient shaping, but what a powerful tool! I've always used compression for this task but it can be difficult and often really lacks the kind of control offered by tshapers.

Very often I'm ending up with all three, comp+limit+tshaper on most of my channels, though. Would be great to do it all at once. Will not try it though. CANNOT!

[symmetricalsounds]

well you don't need to understand necessarily how other comps work, like anything consistent measured experimentation will always let your ears tell you what's what.

if you like tools with a narrow scope then yes it probably isn't for you. atm it seems i've got 4 comps i'm regularly using, the native ableton one, compassion, the abbey road rs124 and sometimes rough rider. using the native ableton one followed by rough rider can work really well, the abbey road one is amazing on vocals. was working on a new track yesterday and had the vocals through the rs124 with a send into the oxford reverb and it sounded lush.

[flatfaced]

you all realize you can right click on the ableton eq and choose "high quality" mode, right?

and it boosts the high-freqs and it sounds even more unpleasant

[gen_]

There is literally no point making a track in one program and mixing it in another :s if you are going to move to another DAW do it, don't go half way.

That said you are seriously mistaken about Ableton being less popular :s

exhibit a: http://futuregarageforum.com/viewtopic. ... 0&start=75

exhibit b: http://www.dnbscene.com/forums/index.php?topic=72.0

Maybe he likes his workflow but not the sound of his DAW.

At the top levels of the hip hop industry everything is mixed down in Pro Tools or analog through Pro Tools. Regardless of what it was made on originally, the mix engineer will take the stems and load them into Pro Tools just to sum and bounce.

If that doesn't prove that each DAW sounds different what does.

[paravrais]

i don't think its a big deal to make a song in one daw then mix it down in another. i like composing in ableton, then exporting all my audio into logic and doing the mixdown and adding some more production.

Yeah there's nothing 'wrong' with it per se, work however works best for you! It's just not the best thing to recommend to someone new as it lengthens the production process immensely and could easily put someone off producing I reckon. Not to mention for 99% of people there should be a DAW out there that suits both their workflow needs and has stock plug ins they get along with so it's generally worth trying to find your perfect DAW rather than switching between two that kinda do what you want all the time.

[slothrop]

If that doesn't prove that each DAW sounds different what does.

If the output being BIT FOR BIT IDENTICAL doesn't prove that they don't, what does?

[Medik]

There is literally no point making a track in one program and mixing it in another :s if you are going to move to another DAW do it, don't go half way.

I disagree. A lot of the time I make sounds using Reason because I like the synths and I like the freedom that the routing in Reason gives you. Then most of the time I resample into Reaper so I can do things with the audio there. I mix in Reaper because I have db readings on the mixer, I can use VSTs like a spectrum analyzer, I much prefer the EQ and Compression in Reaper, etc.