Is it all real?

[zerbaman]

though suggesting that the whole culture of celebrity is a conscious construct is pretty ridiculous

Why though? Seems possible. I'd guess that bigger secrets have been kept

like what? if you are suggesting that a few people have (actively) decided to lull everyone into a false sense of security and trick them into thinking certain things by making a giant play act itself out around them, thats ridiculous

however, if you are suggesting that the exaggerated/fictional characteristics of celebrities create a huge market and rake in large amounts of profit across many corporate boards, then yes, that is true, and its not a secret, its how globalisation of western capitalism seems to have taken shape.

Why is it ridiculous? This is the image that, is affecting the way the world works, that's an easy way to have control over the future I think. This really isn't something out of reach, at least not the way I see it, seems fairly possible, or at least achievable.

Soviet attempts to hide their trips into space seems pretty big to me. Who's even to say that we know ALL of what happened out there?

It spins of the same idea "when you leave your home, you can't see it.. How do you know it's still there?". In the terms which humans perceive the world and it's possibilities, it sounds like bullshit, but on closer inspection seems there's more to it imo

[nowaysj]

Feedback loop really @smelly knelly.

I can't help but see it as purposeful, though.

[zerbaman]

it's hard to pin down causation/correlation.

ask yourself: is the general population stupid because TV made them stupid, or do the makers of TV/movies see them as stupid and market their programs accordingly?

after doing sound for TV and working with producers/directors, i can tell you that they work hard on dumbing it down for the average joe to swallow. it's not that the celebrities are crafted, but the people who design the shows definitely know how to design/arrange things. it's a niche market but also happens to be the biggest.

i guarantee you in the 1920s or even in ancient greece, the vast majority of people were thick, and the smart/cunning outliers are the ones who rise to power/fame/wealth.

I'm not even on about tv stations. My state of mind is long off that hahaha
I'm thinking illuminati and matrix shit here loool

[knell]

if no one watched or cared about Paris Hilton, she wouldn't exist in the mainstream. I promise you that. media goes where the $ take it.

if 90% of the population got off on particle physics, every monday night at 9pm you'd have professors hiving lectures

[AllNightDayDream]

it's hard to pin down causation/correlation.

ask yourself: is the general population stupid because TV made them stupid, or do the makers of TV/movies see them as stupid and market their programs accordingly?

after doing sound for TV and working with producers/directors, i can tell you that they work hard on dumbing it down for the average joe to swallow. it's not that the celebrities are crafted, but the people who design the shows definitely know how to design/arrange things. it's a niche market but also happens to be the biggest.

i guarantee you in the 1920s or even in ancient greece, the vast majority of people were thick, and the smart/cunning outliers are the ones who rise to power/fame/wealth.

I'm not even on about tv stations. My state of mind is long off that hahaha
I'm thinking illuminati and matrix shit here loool

Except the majority of voters (older people) still watch television on a regular basis.

[WhosZena]

If you know something, but can only see it, hear it, touch it or feel it through a box.
Chances are you don't

same sadly goes for the internet

I get the first part. But The second part's confused me, in terms of this conversation?

just generally
second hand experience is forever manipulated

[knell]

I'm thinking illuminati and matrix shit here loool

ah okay, well i have nothing to contribute on that subject matter then haha.

i warn you to be aware of what delusions of persecution are though. you are only as free as you want to be, don't let conspiracies trick you into thinking you're powerless.

[ahier]

though suggesting that the whole culture of celebrity is a conscious construct is pretty ridiculous

Why though? Seems possible. I'd guess that bigger secrets have been kept

like what? if you are suggesting that a few people have (actively) decided to lull everyone into a false sense of security and trick them into thinking certain things by making a giant play act itself out around them, thats ridiculous

however, if you are suggesting that the exaggerated/fictional characteristics of celebrities create a huge market and rake in large amounts of profit across many corporate boards, then yes, that is true, and its not a secret, its how globalisation of western capitalism seems to have taken shape.

Why is it ridiculous? This is the image that, is affecting the way the world works, that's an easy way to have control over the future I think. This really isn't something out of reach, at least not the way I see it, seems fairly possible, or at least achievable.

Soviet attempts to hide their trips into space seems pretty big to me. Who's even to say that we know ALL of what happened out there?

It spins of the same idea "when you leave your home, you can't see it.. How do you know it's still there?". In the terms which humans perceive the world and it's possibilities, it sounds like bullshit, but on closer inspection seems there's more to it imo

key word is attempts

i am in no way disagreeing with you that celebrity culture develops and perpetuates a society that idolises and shapes itself based on those images. obviously we don't know all of what happens, but i just can't believe, on a realistic level, that the WHOLE of global celebrity culture is intentionally orchestrated by one small group of people.

[zerbaman]

if no one watched or cared about Paris Hilton, she wouldn't exist in the mainstream. I promise you that. media goes where the $ take it.

if 90% of the population got off on particle physics, every monday night at 9pm you'd have professors hiving lectures

Who cared about Paris Hilton to begin with enough that she was eventually picked up as an internation centre of attention and standard for of life for youth to begin with man?
Do you get what I mean when I say 'evenings'? That's a 16 year old going off on a mad one with his mates on the last day of exams and secondary education. You get what I mean when I say I'm not quite on the same train of thought here? The idea of this thread was to get people thinking really, but at this moment, the more I question it, the more likely it seems for some reason

[zerbaman]

though suggesting that the whole culture of celebrity is a conscious construct is pretty ridiculous

Why though? Seems possible. I'd guess that bigger secrets have been kept

like what? if you are suggesting that a few people have (actively) decided to lull everyone into a false sense of security and trick them into thinking certain things by making a giant play act itself out around them, thats ridiculous

however, if you are suggesting that the exaggerated/fictional characteristics of celebrities create a huge market and rake in large amounts of profit across many corporate boards, then yes, that is true, and its not a secret, its how globalisation of western capitalism seems to have taken shape.

Why is it ridiculous? This is the image that, is affecting the way the world works, that's an easy way to have control over the future I think. This really isn't something out of reach, at least not the way I see it, seems fairly possible, or at least achievable.

Soviet attempts to hide their trips into space seems pretty big to me. Who's even to say that we know ALL of what happened out there?

It spins of the same idea "when you leave your home, you can't see it.. How do you know it's still there?". In the terms which humans perceive the world and it's possibilities, it sounds like bullshit, but on closer inspection seems there's more to it imo

key word is attempts

i am in no way disagreeing with you that celebrity culture develops and perpetuates a society that idolises and shapes itself based on those images. obviously we don't know all of what happens, but i just can't believe, on a realistic level, that the WHOLE of global celebrity culture is intentionally orchestrated by one small group of people.

Mate this is supposed to be hard to believe I mentioned this. In the context of how normal humans understand the logic and workings of the world we live in and the flow of power throughout, it seems unlikely and impossible, but the underlining fact is, in theory, it can happen... That's the mind fuck

And that's like the Americans with wiki-leaks. You seriously think there are no more secrets?

[ahier]

though suggesting that the whole culture of celebrity is a conscious construct is pretty ridiculous
Why though? Seems possible. I'd guess that bigger secrets have been kept

like what? if you are suggesting that a few people have (actively) decided to lull everyone into a false sense of security and trick them into thinking certain things by making a giant play act itself out around them, thats ridiculous

however, if you are suggesting that the exaggerated/fictional characteristics of celebrities create a huge market and rake in large amounts of profit across many corporate boards, then yes, that is true, and its not a secret, its how globalisation of western capitalism seems to have taken shape.

Why is it ridiculous? This is the image that, is affecting the way the world works, that's an easy way to have control over the future I think. This really isn't something out of reach, at least not the way I see it, seems fairly possible, or at least achievable.

Soviet attempts to hide their trips into space seems pretty big to me. Who's even to say that we know ALL of what happened out there?

It spins of the same idea "when you leave your home, you can't see it.. How do you know it's still there?". In the terms which humans perceive the world and it's possibilities, it sounds like bullshit, but on closer inspection seems there's more to it imo

key word is attempts

i am in no way disagreeing with you that celebrity culture develops and perpetuates a society that idolises and shapes itself based on those images. obviously we don't know all of what happens, but i just can't believe, on a realistic level, that the WHOLE of global celebrity culture is intentionally orchestrated by one small group of people.

Mate this is supposed to be hard to believe I mentioned this. In the context of how normal humans understand the logic and workings of the world we live in and the flow of power throughout, it seems unlikely and impossible, but the underlining fact is, in theory, it can happen... That's the mind fuck

And that's like the Americans with wiki-leaks. You seriously think there are no more secrets?

you read any of the wiki-leaks? it was just political bitching.
no offense but the conspiracy stuff seems a lot like stoned 'enlightened' ranting; in theory it can happen, anything can happen, but its probably not.
http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 42&start=0 watch the video in this - there are millions of people running all kinds of shit that contribute to this overall narrative that you connect the dots of to create the idea of a conspiracy, but none of them are in on it. They are all just people, doing shit cos people need to do shit to get by. Life is just a byproduct of loads of people living.

[nowaysj]

op is on edge of chapel perilous.

[ahier]

op is on edge of chapel perilous.

which way's he gonna go

[zerbaman]

you read any of the wiki-leaks? it was just political bitching.
no offense but the conspiracy stuff seems a lot like stoned 'enlightened' ranting; in theory it can happen, anything can happen, but its probably not.
http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 42&start=0 watch the video in this - there are millions of people running all kinds of shit that contribute to this overall narrative that you connect the dots of to create the idea of a conspiracy, but none of them are in on it. They are all just people, doing shit cos people need to do shit to get by. Life is just a byproduct of loads of people living.

I really thought I made it clear but I'll say it.
Me and my friends celebrated our last day of school by getting stoned.
There?
Happy?
Sooth your mind?

[ahier]

you read any of the wiki-leaks? it was just political bitching.
no offense but the conspiracy stuff seems a lot like stoned 'enlightened' ranting; in theory it can happen, anything can happen, but its probably not.
http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 42&start=0 watch the video in this - there are millions of people running all kinds of shit that contribute to this overall narrative that you connect the dots of to create the idea of a conspiracy, but none of them are in on it. They are all just people, doing shit cos people need to do shit to get by. Life is just a byproduct of loads of people living.

I really thought I made it clear but I'll say it.
Me and my friends celebrated our last day of school by getting stoned.
There?
Happy?
Sooth your mind?

i did get it yes
we've all had those 'evenings'
my mind was always at rest thanks, i was just trying to have a discussion

[3za]

We've all been there man, your all on the same level, and you have the most deep, and meaningful conversation you have ever had. Then the drugs wear off, and it just seems like you have just been chatting shit, and your back to known jack shit about the world we live in...

But it was worth it, just to have that one moment were everything made sence

[zerbaman]

you read any of the wiki-leaks? it was just political bitching.
no offense but the conspiracy stuff seems a lot like stoned 'enlightened' ranting; in theory it can happen, anything can happen, but its probably not.
http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 42&start=0 watch the video in this - there are millions of people running all kinds of shit that contribute to this overall narrative that you connect the dots of to create the idea of a conspiracy, but none of them are in on it. They are all just people, doing shit cos people need to do shit to get by. Life is just a byproduct of loads of people living.

I really thought I made it clear but I'll say it.
Me and my friends celebrated our last day of school by getting stoned.
There?
Happy?
Sooth your mind?

i did get it yes
we've all had those 'evenings'
my mind was always at rest thanks, i was just trying to have a discussion

Okay, I was just clarifying, I feel for the sake of the conversation flowing in terms of mutual understanding, It needed to be put out

[zerbaman]

We've all been there man, your all on the same level, and you have the most deep, and meaningful conversation you have ever had. Then the drugs wear off, and it just seems like you have just been chatting shit, and your back to known jack shit about the world we live in...

But it was worth it, just to have that one moment were everything made sence

I'll post again after sleeping it off, seems like I'm reaching the end so yeah..

But it's weird, because I really did think this shit out to myself, but it just seems so possible hahaha. I'm not even a particularly paranoid guy. I drew lines of opposition to it like you guys, but now it's like I'm in a huge mess, just thinking about this bullshit

[ahier]

you read any of the wiki-leaks? it was just political bitching.
no offense but the conspiracy stuff seems a lot like stoned 'enlightened' ranting; in theory it can happen, anything can happen, but its probably not.
http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 42&start=0 watch the video in this - there are millions of people running all kinds of shit that contribute to this overall narrative that you connect the dots of to create the idea of a conspiracy, but none of them are in on it. They are all just people, doing shit cos people need to do shit to get by. Life is just a byproduct of loads of people living.

I really thought I made it clear but I'll say it.
Me and my friends celebrated our last day of school by getting stoned.
There?
Happy?
Sooth your mind?

i did get it yes
we've all had those 'evenings'
my mind was always at rest thanks, i was just trying to have a discussion

Okay, I was just clarifying, I feel for the sake of the conversation flowing in terms of mutual understanding, It needed to be put out

haha no i got it, you hinted even harder at knell too. i didnt mean to rail against your idea quite so much but i just find conspiracy theory type stuff sits very uneasily with me. it just seems a lot like religion, in that there is an overarcing concept or narrative that seems difficult to grasp as being just the way it is, so people try and pin responsibility down on someone or some group. so in the same way people put the creation of life down to a god, so people (as you suggest in this instance) put the power of media culture down to some creators, whereas actually it is simply an evolution of one particular aspect of life, shaped by everyone that lives, lived, experiences and experienced it. if you see what i mean?

[knell]

Who cared about Paris Hilton to begin with enough that she was eventually picked up as an internation centre of attention and standard for of life for youth to begin with man?

hollywood = high school with money