Vibes vs Craziness

[ephyks]

I wouldn't particularly say this is just dubstep vs brostep reworded but it kinda works that way also but more seriously.

What dubstep gets you moving more? For sake of sanity I'll just name labels.
Vibe dubstep?
Ex. Hench, Dub Police/Sub Soldiers, Hyperdub. (Melodic, Bassy and groovy)

Craziness dubstep?
Ex. Ultragore, Play me records, Rottun. (just that unpredictable hard distorted grimy bassline)

Just a thought. Sometimes I'll be enjoying DMZ, then Burial, Caspa, Rusko. I slowly fade into Excision, Datsik, Figure.

I'm more for vibes myself. Anything sounding like early pre-2008 brostep does it for me.

[jrisreal]

I like a mix of both. Just straight vibes put me to sleep (which is a good thing sometimes ) but the super-crazy robot crap annoys me. I like tracks that are really active and energetic while containing emotion, melody, etc.

[legend4ry]

Vibes.

I don't like overtly aggressive music which is uncalled for.


When you see these producers and they're happy people who think its music to dance too; it makes the young teenager into metal in me cringe.

If you're going to make music like that; you seriously can't be this happy-non angry person who loves life.. It just don't suit it. It also just says to me they're not passionate in what they do, they're just doing it for the lulz. I can't take people's music seriously if they don't.

Thus because I am not a angry young teenager anymore, I can't relate to it.

[deadly_habit]

whatever makes me move
the crazy stuff can have vibes and vice versa
what i can't stand is bland cookie cutter by numbers stuff, or being crazy and aggressive with no substance behind it
prolly why i can't stand skrillex, but i can listen to some borgore and the ilk

[olyko12]

I'm really into both.
My two favorite tunes right now are on both sides of the spectrum.
Benga - night and modestep - sunlight.
I just feel like there are different moods for each one
The first dubstep song I ever heard was Datsik - calypso, and without that my dubstep taste would only include skrillex like all the other "dubstep fans" in my area. So it's kinda hard for me to ignore that side.
The chill vibey side of dubstep can sometimes really put me in the mood for producing though, and give me a lot of subtle ideas.

[wub]

I never really think about it tbh - my moods/surroundings/activities all affect what sort of music I'll enjoy listening to at any one time, same goes for production.

[Sine69]

Depends on the track really.

I love me some brostep, but I also enjoy deep dubstep.

[flood]

vibes mostly, but i love me some quality tearout such as jakes and coki's wobbly tunes. aggressive stuff can be good if it has swagger.

[wormcode]

It needs space. Not a lot of room for space when there is 4 crazy LFO'd synths going off and a high pitched distorted sine wave melody. Also needs some funk in the drums to be vibey imo. Coki has it down perfect, he can do a mixture of both very well. Sometimes the harder stuff just sounds like they really want to be in a metal or grindcore band. It reminds me of the techstep versus jump-up dnb age, around 1998-2003 when it started getting a lot less spacey/futuristic and more wobbly and comedic.

[wub]

It needs space. Not a lot of room for space when there is 4 crazy LFO'd synths going off and a high pitched distorted sine wave melody. Also needs some funk in the drums to be vibey imo. Coki has it down perfect, he can do a mixture of both very well. Sometimes the harder stuff just sounds like they really want to be in a metal or grindcore band. It reminds me of the techstep versus jump-up dnb age, around 1998-2003 when it started getting a lot less spacey/futuristic and more wobbly and comedic.

Pre 1997 DnB was lovely

You ever heard any of the BMT From The Vaults mixes? Perfect snapshots of the spacey trippy shit that was going on at the time.

[wormcode]

Pre 1997 DnB was lovely

You ever heard any of the BMT From The Vaults mixes? Perfect snapshots of the spacey trippy shit that was going on at the time.

Yes man, definitely. Funny thing, I put this one back on cassette for nostalgia, it stays in the car. It's gotten warped from the heat so it has some weird pitching effects going on in some tunes now haha
http://soundcloud.com/blumarten/blu-mar ... -mix-1997/

Also, the Intelligence ones he uploaded were great too. Great selections on them all from what I recall.

I think you'd enjoy this. Another mix I keep close by: Source Direct vs Photek 95-98.

[kaiori breathe]

Vibes, but done in a crazy way, like Eskmo, or Slugabed...etc

[grooki]

Pre 1997 DnB was lovely

You ever heard any of the BMT From The Vaults mixes? Perfect snapshots of the spacey trippy shit that was going on at the time.

Yes man, definitely. Funny thing, I put this one back on cassette for nostalgia, it stays in the car. It's gotten warped from the heat so it has some weird pitching effects going on in some tunes now haha
http://soundcloud.com/blumarten/blu-mar ... -mix-1997/

Also, the Intelligence ones he uploaded were great too. Great selections on them all from what I recall.

I think you'd enjoy this. Another mix I keep close by: Source Direct vs Photek 95-98.

they're all here:

http://www.blumarten.com/home/from-the- ... -mix-1996/






photek source direct and company I still listen to pretty regularly. A lot of those sounds are still as striking today.

[RandoRando]

i like all of it,

fuck the word "dubstep" or "brostep"

they are all music just different types, i love the "vibe" of a burial tune, kind of dark but uplifting at the same time
an old rusko tune will just put me in a good mood, or "brostep" i just look at it as an electronic version of heavy metal. I find it fascinating that so many producers thrive to make new loud noises along with a beat to make people headbang and go crazy. i dont label any of the shit, its all music whether it makes you want to light a person on fire and beat people up while headbanging or just chill and lay back and let the music take your soul away and float through the air.

THE WONDERS OF ELECTRONIC MUSIC.

[Teknicyde]

I play both sides of the coin in my DJ sets, and produce both sides of that coin too, alternate progress between them throughout. This is how to make a dancefloor move. Not vibe them out all night to the point the feel zombified and stoned, and not play so much filth it loses its impact. Do both.

a filthy tune will never have the impact coming out of another filthy tune that it would have if it was well mixed from a chilled-out bit. A chilled out bit will never pull your heartstrings quite the same if it comes from another chilled out bit then it will if it comes from something totally emotionless and testosterone fueled.

At every rave, youll have a mix of both sides, deep heads and aggro heads, and a mix of men and women (ideally). You must play to all categories of people evenly, and not turn either side off while your doing it.

It sounds hard, its not.

The only thing making dubstep shit is the fact we've divided this up. When I got into it, we were playing both sides of the coin b2b and lovin every second of it. Now, theres no damn diversity in the genre I fell in love with for the diversity aspect of.

Both sides are weak as hell until you get em going together, that was the power of dubstep in the first place, people on DSF miss that, but fuck em.

And if as a DJ you cant play to both sides of the audience, get the fuck off the decks and let me on. End of.

And if anything about dubstep, filthy or vibey, makes you wanna headbang, save the trouble, and go lay under a bus.

[jrisreal]

Couldn't agree more with Basi...err, I mean Teknicyde. All this separation is annoying me so freaking much when in reality, contrast between soft music and intense music will have the best result. And I also believe that neither of these subgenres are at their best unless they take some influence from eachother.

[Dystinkt]

When I hear rusko I chuckle and hark back to when people were shitting it that rusko was ruining dubstep with cockney thug. oh how i wish we knew what was coming..

[lyons238]

I wouldn't particularly say this is just dubstep vs brostep reworded but it kinda works that way also but more seriously.

What dubstep gets you moving more? For sake of sanity I'll just name labels.
Vibe dubstep?
Ex. Hench, Dub Police/Sub Soldiers, Hyperdub. (Melodic, Bassy and groovy)

Craziness dubstep?
Ex. Ultragore, Play me records, Rottun. (just that unpredictable hard distorted grimy bassline)

Just a thought. Sometimes I'll be enjoying DMZ, then Burial, Caspa, Rusko. I slowly fade into Excision, Datsik, Figure.

I'm more for vibes myself. Anything sounding like early pre-2008 brostep does it for me.

i agree with this big time. i love the pre 2008-9ish brostep. some of the new stuff is good, some is shit. the vibey stuff is always good but no it does not get me moving more than the heavier stuff (usually). i've noticed that if you listen to straight brostep for a few hours it loses its edge, where a nice vibey song will not.

i like both and need both. but im not necessarily happy with the direction dubstep is going these days. mainly the whole skrillex/flux crowd that just heard of dubstep in 2010 and think they're dub gods.

edit: basic a (imma just call you that because its easier lol) but you hit the nail on the head man. totally agree with everything you said.

[-[2]DAY_-]

i hate bro but i love totally mental dubstep. you know the difference...
deep vibes as well.
But as per the question what moves me physically, dub, dancefloor reggae, breakstep and heavy halfstep with skanks.

[legend4ry]

When I hear rusko I chuckle and hark back to when people were shitting it that rusko was ruining dubstep with cockney thug. oh how i wish we knew what was coming..

Innit... .


To be fair, I love that old tear out stuff; I am not shameful to admit I own loads of old dub police vinyls, early rotten and loads of tear out breakstep like...



Not forgetting Vex'd, toasty, search and destroy for forgetting Storm Productions label (Caspa's old imprint for breaky stuff)


Dubstep has ALWAYS had a harder, aggressive side; just its without depth these days. Thats what I find it hard to have a connection to it.