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badger
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by badger » Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:31 pm
really surprised to read about this. quite amazing that they managed to make spam prevention actually achieve something useful like digitising books
http://gigaom.com/2008/08/15/captchas-c ... tcha-know/
To some, a web site like Craigslist asking you to verify that you are indeed a human by retyping distorted, nonsensical words is irritating. But the next time you do it, you could be helping to fill in some historical blanks.
NPR ran a story yesterday on Luis von Ahn, assistant professor of computer science at Carnegie Mellon University and one of the guys who helped develop the CAPTCHA technology. The short version: Efforts to digitize (really) old books and newspapers were being hampered by faded ink that confounded OCR software. The solution von Ahn came up with was to use the words that the software couldn’t recognize and insert them into these so-called reCAPTCHAs and use the power of human brains to decipher them. CAPTCHAs serve up two words, one is the security word, the other goes toward the book digitization effort. It sounded interesting, so I called von Ahn to find out more.
Here’s how it works. The New York Times is working to digitize all of its issues starting way back in 1851. It starts by scanning every single page as an image. That’s where reCAPTCHA comes in. It runs two optical character recognition (OCR) programs to turn all of those images of pages into text. Different OCR programs tend to make different mistakes. When the two programs disagree on a word, that word is plucked out and distributed among CAPTCHA security programs spread out across 45,000 web sites like Craigslist and TicketMaster.
Human beings then look at the words as part of the CAPTCHA security measure and do the deciphering by retyping what they think the mangled word is. Depending on the word, as little as two or three people agreeing on what it is is enough to figure it out. The word is then sent back to the New York Times to be reinserted into the text version of the image.
Initially, this project was part of Carnegie Mellon, but von Ahn said that they are spinning out reCAPTCHA as its own company. While The New York Times is paying to use the service, reCAPTCHA is also doing work free of charge for the Internet Archive’s project to digitize every book published before 1980.
But von Ahn is looking beyond just re-typing words as security measures. He says that his team has tried using images and having people type what they see. The problem, von Ahn says, is that people don’t spell very well, so even though the image is of a “cat” people could spell “kat” and not answer the question correctly. ReCAPTCHA is also expanding into audio, and using the audio version of CAPTCHAs to have people listen to and decipher words from garbled old recordings or closed captioning transcriptions.
The idea of taking a necessary evil like spam prevention and turning it into something useful is a good one. Who knew selling my old digital camera on Craigslist was actually an act of historical preservation?
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by noam » Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:43 pm
nice!
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by magma » Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:51 pm
That's some serious lateral thinking... crowd sourcing at its best! Brilliant!
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by badger » Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:53 pm
i always wondered why one of the words was garbled jibberish and the other one was obviously a real world - now i know why!
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by magma » Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:56 pm
I think I'm going to find them less annoying for a bit.... just a bit.
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by badger » Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:58 pm
haha same
it feels like you're actually achieving something
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by hugh » Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:59 pm
very cool! but if you are like me you usually refresh a captcha about 10 times cos you can't tell what it is you are meant to be typing xD
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by TomatoAndBasil » Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:15 pm
That's pretty cool.

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by gnome » Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:17 pm
haha the second word doesn't matter in capthchas. You can type what ever you like for that word. I wonder will that digitise the book with what ever word I put in. Like Puffin.
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by NilsFG » Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:25 pm
I thought everyone knew about this? The whole digitalising books thing was why reCAPTCHA was so bugged in the beginning.
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by brettheaslewood » Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:08 pm
very interesting !
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by capo ultra » Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:36 pm
lol I started getting suspicious when I was typing whatever I wanted for the second word and it would always accept, mad
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by firky » Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:07 pm
Captcha is responsible for one of my favourite memes:

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by kay » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:45 pm
Cool
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by wormcode » Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:53 am
Really cool idea. I wonder how the CAPTCHA crackers play into this though. I use a download manager that seems able to figure out most of the captchas on its own. Then again there's a lot of that kind of stuff now, dunno which are strictly captcha technology or other new forms.
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by jugo » Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:44 pm
i love the way this place has people who find this stuff - cheers

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by Sexual_Chocolate » Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:14 pm
bloody hell, thats a ridiculous idea, some out of the box shit.
and ive always been so annoyed by them.... but now, i will be happy to help in the future!
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by Alty » Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:41 pm
wooww fancy that!
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