Wut is dubstap?

[wizeguy]

Ok. Kaiori I was on your side the last two days (reading this from Ipod with no ability to see/hear your Sig “The Ocean In You")… However after listening… NOT DUBSTEP. Period.

LOL You and James Blake have lost it.

That is Elevator Music at best.

wait, what?!?- kaiori are you seriously writing up that long complaint that your mucic isn't being classified by people as dubstep in reference to that 'the ocean in you' tune in your sig?!????

[wobbles]

hahahahahahah

[makerowner]

I thought this thread was gonna be about Girl Unit 'Wut' being the start of a new genre called dubstap

[accordionfan]

DUDES CHECK OUT THIS WICKED GRINDCORE I HEARD *plays some b one thugs n harmony*

[ketamine]

DUDES CHECK OUT THIS WICKED GRINDCORE I HEARD *plays some bone thugs n harmony*

[Maccaveli]

Ok. Kaiori I was on your side the last two days (reading this from Ipod with no ability to see/hear your Sig “The Ocean In You")… However after listening… NOT DUBSTEP. Period.

LOL You and James Blake have lost it.

That is Elevator Music at best.

wait, what?!?- kaiori are you seriously writing up that long complaint that your mucic isn't being classified by people as dubstep in reference to that 'the ocean in you' tune in your sig?!????

lmao I wanted to say this but it looked like I'd be torn apart for it. Looks like a lot of people didn't realise which tune he was talking about specifically.

Kaiori, its a lovely tune and I'd call a lot of the other ones in that playlist dubstep but come on, if we're calling a piano track like that with no bass or percussion dubstep then we might as well start calling Beethoven's Fur Elise dubstep too. Maybe if it was in the context of a dubstep album, but as a standalone track... lets get real...

[AllNightDayDream]

Eh I wrote a big ass response but I don't wanna create bad vibes. But really that ocean in you tune is nice, and you've definitely made great dubstep before, but there is not a snowball's chance in hell you can defend that track as dubstep.

[therapist]

In (b4) McDonalds

I wish I'd trademarked this joke when I had the chance.

[Augment]

Ok. Kaiori I was on your side the last two days (reading this from Ipod with no ability to see/hear your Sig “The Ocean In You")… However after listening… NOT DUBSTEP. Period.

LOL You and James Blake have lost it.

That is Elevator Music at best.

wait, what?!?- kaiori are you seriously writing up that long complaint that your mucic isn't being classified by people as dubstep in reference to that 'the ocean in you' tune in your sig?!????

lmao I wanted to say this but it looked like I'd be torn apart for it. Looks like a lot of people didn't realise which tune he was talking about specifically.

Kaiori, its a lovely tune and I'd call a lot of the other ones in that playlist dubstep but come on, if we're calling a piano track like that with no bass or percussion dubstep then we might as well start calling Beethoven's Fur Elise dubstep too. Maybe if it was in the context of a dubstep album, but as a standalone track... lets get real...

I have to say that I agree with this.

[scspkr99]

1., Because I say it is. I'm the one who wrote it, I should get final say in what it is, that might sound arrogant, it isn't mean to, it's just how I see it. I'm the one who made it. You wouldn't try to tell Vincent van Gogh that his painting of Sunflowers was actually a painting of lilies so don't tell me this isn't dubstep.

Firstly let me state that I have no opinion as to whether you make dubstep because I haven't heard any tracks and I don't consider myself qualified to say what is and what isn't.

However I have had this debate before and I would like to repose this slightly, what if Van Gogh called his paining of Sunflowers Lillies would we then be entitled to tell him that his picture called lillies was in fact a picture of sunflowers?

If someone calls a glass of water and an accompanying video Oak Tree is it in fact an Oak tree?

It's an important distinction inasmuch as the what is and what isn't dubstep is important but you as the artist are entitled to call your work whatever you wish, art is bidirectional the consumer ( I hate the word in this context but w/e) is also perfectly entitled to their opinion once the work is published as it is no longer the property of the creater but that of the viewer.

Basically you are entitled to call your music whatever you want and people are entitled to disagree that of itself doesn't make either party correct

[Teknicyde]

Kai writes dubstep.

I write brostep.

El-B writes garage.

Dilla wrote hiphop.

James blake is a hipster.

/thread? maybe?

[TheShadowFog]

I thought this thread was gonna be about Girl Unit 'Wut' being the start of a new genre called dubstap

Wutstep?

[cmgoodman1226]

Kai writes dubstep.

I write brostep.

El-B writes garage.

Dilla wrote hiphop.

James blake is a hipster.

/thread? maybe?

Rip jay Yancey aka j dilla!

[Teknicyde]

Kai writes dubstep.

I write brostep.

El-B writes garage.

Dilla wrote hiphop.

James blake is a hipster.

/thread? maybe?

Rip jay Yancey aka j dilla!

Someone had to say it.

[NickUndercover]

I think dubstep is about certain vibes. Regardless of drum patterns, synth sounds, or anything at all. Nothing other than that dubstep vibe.

Yesssssssssss. Hoods up, heads down. Standard

[wilson]

I think dubstep is about certain vibes. Regardless of drum patterns, synth sounds, or anything at all. Nothing other than that dubstep vibe.

Yesssssssssss. Hoods up, heads down. Standard

It's the drums, synths, bass, effects, and all that that create a dubstep vibe though?

[brasco]

I think dubstep is about certain vibes. Regardless of drum patterns, synth sounds, or anything at all. Nothing other than that dubstep vibe.

Yesssssssssss. Hoods up, heads down. Standard

It's the drums, synths, bass, effects, and all that that create a dubstep vibe though?

IZ DA WOBBLEZ


*and obligatory wall of death*

[zerbaman]

I think dubstep is about certain vibes. Regardless of drum patterns, synth sounds, or anything at all. Nothing other than that dubstep vibe.

Yesssssssssss. Hoods up, heads down. Standard

It's the drums, synths, bass, effects, and all that that create a dubstep vibe though?

That's not a concrete statement. It's my opinion. On there, the only thing that matters to me personally is the bass. The deep, sub frequency bass.

[Dr Bloodnugget]

What you've made is music. You should feel privaliged that nobody can hang a tag on your tune.

[icarous]

Warning: Potential 'tl;dr' thread.

A more accurate title for this thread might be: "what is dubstep to you"

Recently I've been getting a lot of pointless 'feedback' along the lines of "why are you calling this dubstep" and "this isn't really dubstep" it kind of bugs me. Here's a slightly edited (given that I put a bit more thought into it for DSF) post I made on a track that received a particularly large quantity of such comments (you don't have to read it, you can just skip to answering the question in the thread title if you'd like as that's more what I'm interested in, I just thought I'd post my views as a sort of kick-off point):

"For those of you asking why this is dubstep:

1., Because I say it is. I'm the one who wrote it, I should get final say in what it is, that might sound arrogant, it isn't mean to, it's just how I see it. I'm the one who made it. You wouldn't try to tell Vincent van Gogh that his painting of Sunflowers was actually a painting of lilies so don't tell me this isn't dubstep. I'm the one who wrote it, I know what I did and I know what it is. I'm more intimately involved with the work than any listener could ever be, I plucked each and every note and nuance from an imagined track in a creative ether that inhabited my mind and sketched it upon my DAW with intention and direction. I knew what I was doing and I knew what I was making.

Dubstep is a big part of my life and I am always writing, listening to, and tied to dubstep music and the dubstep community; as far as I'm concerned everything I write under the name 'kaiori breathe' is an extension of that unless I state other wise.

2., Dubstep isn't necessarily and shouldn't be defined by wobble basses. It isn't all about the kick 1 snare 3 rhythms; it isn't all about being 'sick' and sounding 'nasty' - the dubstep sound you hear in the charts isn't the sum product of the entire genre. There is more to dubstep than what a few larger labels or UKF have packaged for public consumption. What you hear in the mainstream is a formula designed to sell records and fill dance floors, it's radio friendly and it isn't fully representative of the body of work that is the genre: dubstep.

3., Back before anybody took notice of me, when I received a grand total of 1 comment and 3 plays a month, when the only people who listened to my work were other dubstep producers, nobody questioned what I was doing; nobody said "this isn't dubstep" - an entire community of dubstep producers accepted me as being a dubstep producer and inspired me further and pushed me forward, they didn't question me being a part of what they were a part of, they invited me in and helped me grow as a person and as an artist.

Those people are there still there, but they're being drown out by all the 16 year olds who just heard 'bass cannon' by flux pavillion or nero's 'guilt' or something by magnetic man and leave thinking that that's what dubstep is all about (i.e., dubstep = 808 kick on 1, white noise snare on 3, 808 kick on 2, white noise snare on 3 + 'massive' bass) - don't get me wrong, I love that dubstep is big now, I love those artists and I love people debating genres and getting passionate about music; all I'm saying is that it's interesting that dubstep producers accept my work as dubstep but those who's only experience in music is as listeners don't...

4., Finally, the reason I don't sound the same as a lot of other dubstep artists is to a large degree because I am influenced by different artists than those who most dubstep producers are. Most electronic musicians grew up listening to electronic musicians, I didn't, I grew up listening to film score composers and instrumental guitarists; I listen to Thomas Newman and Joe Satriani. Should I be constantly challenged and penalized and ostracized from a genre I want to be a part of and contribute to just because I sound different due to the influences I drew from? No. So I'm more ambient than most dubstep producers, so I use weird shit like borrowed chords and I write odd 25 bar phrases and I don't use a drum kit - opting instead for the sounds of crunching paper and bamboo and the rain - so I do things differently, that doesn't mean I'm not a part of what dubstep is.

If you don't get that then I guess you just don't get it and I'm sorry you don't understand where I'm coming from but I'm not going to change how I define my work for you. If the only comments you can make are with regards to genre then please, don't comment at all. You're welcome to call what I make anything you want, just don't tell me I'm wrong when I'm the one who made it and knows every nuance of its musicality and those experiences, thoughts and musical loyalties that course under it."

So yea, what is dubstep to you? Is it a grouping of like artists using similar sounds that are voiced through well defined rules? How far can you push those defined rules before your music becomes undefinable as the genre you intended it to be? Can a track's genre be in part defined by the artists musical loyalties or what the artist intended it to be? Does wabble = dubstap? ...etc

On a lighter note, I did an image search for dubstep to see how the genre might have been defined through the medium of image, here's what I found:



Other images included a picture of a man's head exploding rainbows, Katy Perry with her tits out and a panda firing dual pistols into the air... What a fine visual montage to our little musical world.

inb4: It's all music maaaaaaan, why do you have to label everything!??!?!!
inb4: Somebody says something generic and predictable that I should have written an inb4 for

Very well stated