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Re: Wut is dubstap?

Post by Turnipish_Thoughts » Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:10 am

I agree with whats being said. But that tune in your sig Kiaori isn't dubstep. If that's what you're trying to defend here as being dubstep then I think You've gone a little too far down the dubstep hole. Got a little too wrapped up and lost in your music and have distorted certain perspectives slightly. That seriously isnt 'dubstep' in any manner of speaking what-so ever.

"Dubstep is generally instrumental. Similar to a vocal garage hybrid - grime - the genre's feel is commonly dark; tracks frequently use a minor key and can feature dissonant harmonies such as the tritone interval within a riff. Other distinguishing features often found are the use of samples, a propulsive, sparse rhythm, and an almost omnipresent sub-bass.".

A genre defines a music production stylization taken on by producers of the style of music. For example 'rock' music is defined by its use of a kick-snare-kick-snare rhythm, distorted guitars using primarily power chords, a fast and angy rhythm and pace and general gritty feel. Drum and Bass is known for its 'shuffle' with the beat accidentals such as the 'amen' break or the 'apache' break patterns, 'reese' mid range synth sounds and a heavy bass precense.

These are the things that define genre. It isn't just a name tied to artistic license. Genre classification is based on solid and real attributes within a musical (or otherwise) piece. Dubstep is a genre of electronic dance music, Dubstep as a genre does indeed also have its defining characteristics, and a musical piece that doesn't hold the majority of such atributes under such definition can not be classed as a song within that genre. period.

The track in your sig is amazing by the way and shows real tallent. Don't restrict yourself to classing yourself as a 'dubstep producer' and get angry at people that point out that something you've made evidently isn't dubstep. When it objectively isn't by the way. Instead learn not to classify yourself as anything and enjoy your music creation process. I think the only thing thats gone wrong here is an error on your part.

Its obvious that dubstep is a big part of your life and you hold it dearly, from that its possible that you've classified your track something it isn't and tried to defend your belief. You're gonna hate me for saying this but look outside the box! You're bigger than dubstep and more tallented. You make music, that is what you do, you are a musician. Dubstep is a hat you wear, and sometimes you wear others. Its a good thing to not be restricted to definition, but try not to confuse your own judgment on things :4:
...it's also about your own personal ideas about what you're producing and peoples reception and perception of what you've produced.
It's also when regarding genre, tied to a social agreement of what musical elements constitute a genre. It is much bigger than the individual, it is an atribute of social reality. Words are a system of comunication, they are meaningless sounds tied to an abstract concept. That concept has tied to it atributes of experience that the hearer of said words calls upon to make sense of the words being spoken so they can relate it to their own experience. This is closely related to the expectations one subconsciously calls upon when regarding a certain genre. You can't call something one thing when it inherently lacks the pre-defined atributes of what you are trying to classify it as, because the world is going to turn round and say "no it isn't, it's a classical piano piece". Because that is how we have defined something that has atributes of what you have made. we don't make these things up, well we do, collectively and over a long period of time, something more carnal than someone sitting at a desk deciding these things. What we have made up becomes static and can be drawn upon to relate to one another. These things emerge as archetypes, and when they are set they are set, trying to break such foundational and essential things, for whatever reason (avante garde?), will give you the sort of reaction you've recieved over this. Be original and don't be afraid to call it original!

'You' might think that track is dubstep, and you might dearly defend that notion, but you can't fight something veritably larger and more timeless than your own finite existence and mind, something as large as collective reality, language, words and how we are intrinsictly interwoven with the nature of these things. If people in general are telling you that that track isn't dubstep, then it isn't, as much as you may dearly wish it to be. The majority rules in perception, it's just the way it is,

The last few chapters in 1984 explain this really well actually. Take a read if you haven't already, amazing book.
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Re: Wut is dubstap?

Post by hutyluty » Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:29 am

its all music maaaaaan
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Re: Wut is dubstap?

Post by therapist » Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:41 pm

Rönin wrote:
zerbaman wrote:I think dubstep is about certain vibes. Regardless of drum patterns, synth sounds, or anything at all. Nothing other than that dubstep vibe.

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Re: Wut is dubstap?

Post by NickUndercover » Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:03 pm

lololololol. You can do what you want mate but I'm not moshing to dubstep
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Re: Wut is dubstap?

Post by therapist » Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:08 pm

Are you fucking serious?

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Re: Wut is dubstap?

Post by zerbaman » Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:31 pm

what's stupid about it?
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Re: Wut is dubstap?

Post by BananaClips » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:48 am

question:

i can understand people who only see bass-heavy 140bpm music as dubstep. but matter of fact is that dubstep introduced a whole new rhythm to electronic music, which is now widely used, such as in four tet's "locked". to me, that is a dubstep rhythm. how would you label a tune like that?

on another note, what would you call joy orbison's music? it falls under the dubstep category often, but surely doesn't match the criteria you guys name.

reason i ask is i have increasing difficulties in describing this music to other people.

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Re: Wut is dubstap?

Post by puzl » Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:14 pm

The only issue I have with the increasingly expansive label of 'dubstep' is the connection to the word 'dub' tends to get lost a bit ... I personally enjoy a wide variety of styles within the dubstep/bass/garage genre(s)... but when I get a request by someone to play some 'dub', I'll throw some King Tubby or Augustus Pablo on. Then the requester will come back up to the tables like... 'what the fuck is this ? I want DUB! like something that goes wanh wanh wanh wanh wanh reeeeeeeeeeuooooo reeeeeeeeuooooo... play some fuckin Rusko!!! not this reggie bs!!' haha, just sayin ... let's not forget why the 'dub' tag was placed in the 'dubstep' genre name in the first place. There are also rock tunes with a 1/3 drum pattern at 70 or 140 bpm. the connection to Dub music was originally more than just the drum pattern. but whatever, I agree with lots of what was said by others in this thread... defining music genres is never going to be a clean, concise exercise. Too many people have too many differing opinions on the topic. We can only really aim for an average of everyone's opinions in the hopes of keeping musical discussion/communication consistent and sensible.

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Re: Wut is dubstap?

Post by garethom » Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:31 pm

BananaClips wrote: on another note, what would you call joy orbison's music? it falls under the dubstep category often, but surely doesn't match the criteria you guys name.
:lol: I've had such trouble trying to assign HYPH MNGO a genre. House? Garage? Dubstep? God knows.
puzl wrote:The only issue I have with the increasingly expansive label of 'dubstep' is the connection to the word 'dub' tends to get lost a bit ...
Inb4 Fractal. Let me try and explain. Whilst some artists do take heavy influence from dub, I think the dub in the name dubstep comes from the vocal-less (or dub) mix that came as a B-Side on many UK Garage releases, which was favoured by DJs. Notice how a vast majority of dubstep has no/very few vocals? Common misunderstanding though, especially, as I mentioned, considering how many big-names in the scene do take influence and techniques from original dub music.

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Re: Wut is dubstap?

Post by puzl » Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:47 pm

I don't think it's a misunderstanding at all really. In fact, the vocal-less b-side dub you are talking about comes directly from Dub music culture in Jamaica. It migrated over to Hip Hop, House, etc. later on with b-side, mainly vocal-less mixes in the 80's.

Musically, when you go and listen to old Digital Mystikz, Pinch, or Horespower tracks... the use of Dub mixing techniques is very obvious and rather prominent. Mind you, I'm not saying it was all dubbed out reggae riffs and Jamaican toasting saturated in delay (tho this was used heavily as well), but, it was more about applying a dub mood and aesthetic to techno and dnb type sound palettes. It was the space created in the mixes that really harkened back to Dub music.

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Re: Wut is dubstap?

Post by garethom » Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:57 pm

puzl wrote:I don't think it's a misunderstanding at all really. In fact, the vocal-less b-side dub you are talking about comes directly from Dub music culture in Jamaica. It migrated over to Hip Hop, House, etc. later on with b-side, mainly vocal-less mixes in the 80's.

Musically, when you go and listen to old Digital Mystikz, Pinch, or Horespower tracks... the use of Dub mixing techniques is very obvious and rather prominent. Mind you, I'm not saying it was all dubbed out reggae riffs and Jamaican toasting saturated in delay (tho this was used heavily as well), but, it was more about applying a dub mood and aesthetic to techno and dnb type sound palettes. It was the space created in the mixes that really harkened back to Dub music.
All good points, I was merely talking about the etymology. :W:

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Re: Wut is dubstap?

Post by puzl » Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:31 pm

gotcha...sorry, was getting a little nerdy with it.

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Re: Wut is dubstap?

Post by DRTY » Sat Oct 01, 2011 9:05 pm

kaiori breathe wrote:
Dubstep is a big part of my life and I am always writing, listening to, and tied to dubstep music and the dubstep community; as far as I'm concerned everything I write under the name 'kaiori breathe' is an extension of that unless I state other wise.
This implies you write other stuff... if so do share! I love your Kaiori B stuff :U:

On topic though... I'd just not worry... someone saying a comment like that isn't the sort of person who would enjoy your music anyway. Dubstep is just a convieniant label as are all genre names. There's loads of sounds which really, aren't the same 'genre'. Take D&B for example..... a Hazard track is a world away from an ASC track but both called D&B.

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Re: Wut is dubstap?

Post by leeany » Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:24 pm

Teknicyde wrote:
cmgoodman1226 wrote:
Teknicyde wrote:Kai writes dubstep.

I write brostep.

El-B writes garage.

Dilla wrote hiphop.

James blake is a hipster.

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Re: Wut is dubstap?

Post by hifi » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:20 pm

that's not dubstep /end of thread

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