Mixing Dubstep with Pop

[ChadDub]

So you're saying, Turnip, that because (for example) I want to get scene bitches by making music scene bitches will swarm to, I should die?

Too bad biatch

[mikeyp]

And the only way I can ensure that happens is to make music that I think other people will pay for.

People won't pay for your music if you're making it only to make money. It's not A to B in that sense, but that's what it comes down to.

You don't understand dubstep, or any music that someone absolutely loves for that matter. If you make it to make money, you're leaving out the emotion of it, the drive of it, and the love for it.

Now I haven't been into dubstep as long as a lot of people on this forum, but I've loved it for a lot longer than the general public who knows about it and all the fucking kids who think it's cool now. If you want to make fucking money off music go mix pop with a house beat or some shit which is already rinsed out and leave dubstep out of the picture. Mixing the newest pop song with a shitty dubstep beat and wobbles isn't going to make you any money. You're not going to be able to do that, plain and fucking simple and I can't explain it any further than that just because that's the way it works.

Wanna know how dubstep or even all edm artists make a living these days? It's not through selling music oh fucking no way in hell is it through selling music. THEY PLAY SHOWS. Can you dj? do you know the first thing about a dubstep show? have you ever been to a real one? nobody is going to pay to go see someone full of pop remixes with some wobbles to it.

and if you want to refute that with something like "skrillex sold this many albums which equals this amount of money so you're wrong" - no you're wrong. he wouldn't be selling those IF HE DIDN'T PLAY SHOWS. dubstep is an emotional genre with emotional shows and you clearly don't understand that. The people on the pop side of liking your music would never go see it played live, and the people on the dubstep side wouldn't take it seriously. You're sitting on the top of a 20 foot high barbed wire prison fence.

[legend4ry]

Heres a bangin' dubstep song what follows a pop structure....

Doesnt' sound anything like Britney..

I honestly think you're in the wrong place to be asking these questions... That stuff you're thinking off isn't Dubstep - its Pop music like I said in the first post.. It doesn't have any dubstep elements, that britney song isn't even 140ish bpm! Its like what, 128ish?

Wobble/womps/yois isn't the be all an end all of Dubstep, loads of music use it ! Like this classic very succesful song from ages ago.





I think you need to reevaluate what you're asking for....


Are you asking how to make womps/wobs/yois work in pop music with high production values?

Well, start using high quality plugins/synths/hardware/sounds, get a properly treated room and work on getting dark sounds to work with light hearted vibes, get phenomenal at mix downs, pay to get your tracks mastered in high quality mastering houses which specialise in pop music, .

I'll let this thread get to the next page and if it hasn't gotten any better it'll be locked!

[Turnipish_Thoughts]

‘I think there’s something very hollow at the heart of all the talent shows. I think there’s something that’s corrosive.

‘Generally, it eats away at people’s idea of what fame is, what celebrity is, what the rewards for fame should be - the correlation between talent and money and fame.’

He continued: ‘It’s overheated and overcooked to such an extent that young people - impressionable people - are going to have their views of all these things warped by it.

‘I find it’s very cynical and very manipulative because [Cowell] owns the record company, he owns the format of the TV show – it’s like the house wins any way you look at it.

‘The X Factor shouldn’t be the way that you get famous. You should be able to play in venues around the country, find your own style and carve out your own identity - then you get more of a sense of self-worth.’

~ http://www.comedycentral.co.uk/news/bil ... ent-shows/

There's another example of the thing I'm pointing at. The 'industry' and what it's doing to music and culture, and yes, that effects us all, because we collectively are culture, and are influenced by culture. The people in a position to orientate culture are doing so in a way that a lot of people see as soul-less, Machiavellian, a form of brainwashing, influencing the perspectives of entire nations (ever read 1984?). A reality based on consumerism and quick fix, flippant values and agendas which is in itself inherently opposed to very important and intrinsic human values that have safeguarded cultural and social continuity for aeons. Stop having your own beliefs, let 'the establishment' decide for you e.t.c. (What the fuck do you think 'pop' is?.....)

whether you are deliberately buying in to that or the mentality that that area of the creative industry has got into your head is up for debate. Either way, it seems to me and other people here that you have your values set up wrong. To the degree that it seems you should actually take a look at it on a serious level. You may actually have it all wrong, think about that. There are other ways of doing what you want to without selling your soul to the fucking circus. You don't have to work in a shop and you can still make music you want to and make a living off it. Don't get pulled in to the idea that you 'have' to make pop, because that's exactly why things are the way they are, to make you think that that's the best way of going about things, because 'we all have to make money to survive', its like that for a reason. Just ask yourself why you feel like you have to make a compromise, with what? a fucked up apparent set of choices about life style and career. Its bullshit and realize that. Chase your creativity in a pure way, if so many other people have managed it, what's stopping you other than self made obstacles and the 'views' you've developed about what's realistic, which have in turn oriented your career path down the road we're debating... Its your making. Your choice based on your opinion about apparent choices. There are other ways of going about it, and you can still get to where you want to, its a matter of perspective, stop restricting yourself to the lowest common denominator decision and compromising to adhere to some bullshit synthetic reality that you already seem wise enough to see for what it is.

kay?

[mikeyp]

^^ well said.

[Aufnahmewindwuschel]

dunno think its not quite as good as the britney spears song but its ok

[Jacob15728]

So you're saying, Turnip, that because (for example) I want to get scene bitches by making music scene bitches will swarm to, I should die?

Too bad biatch

This is a noble cause

I mean, that's obviously why all scene bands make their music. I doubt any of the actually like the music because it sucks so bad...

[Filthzilla]

'how to make Skrillex bass'

How do I make a Popstep bass?

[ChadDub]

So you're saying, Turnip, that because (for example) I want to get scene bitches by making music scene bitches will swarm to, I should die?

Too bad biatch

This is a noble cause

I mean, that's obviously why all scene bands make their music. I doubt any of the actually like the music because it sucks so bad...

Yeah because it sucks so bad

[billybuxton]

and the powers that be that want to make a quick buck (Including myself - the power), are going to want a piece of it

if you want to produce music just to make a quick buck, well.. that's not going to work out for you. you should be doing something else to make a quick buck like buying into those infomercials at 4 in the morning. if money is always the first thing on your mind when you're doing this, you won't be doing it for long.

[3za]

dunno think its not quite as good as the britney spears song but its ok

Such a badman


Rememeber hearing this in the meditate to bass weight mix by Vaccine, and been a fan since

I never really get why people see pop music as "evil" surely the consumers enjoy it, and its not doing anyone any harm???

If OP wants to make pop, and make money from it then good luck to him, if Chad whats to make scenecore, to get all scene bitchs (lol) then good luck to him, but I will just keep on doing what I do.

[Aufnahmewindwuschel]

i dont think its about the pop thing what bothers me is that so many people arent open to new music or genres at all. i dont know , i can enjoy brostep here and there but i can go back to helios and ashram and what not just because i know them and can respect their art . some of the best songs i found by tiping in emo song or anime ost haha


big ups for another helios fan btw

[ChadDub]

You say people aren't open to new music, yet you say you don't have respect for brostep's artists and genre.

[Aufnahmewindwuschel]

haha now i sound like an ass

i have lots of respect for brostep artists i just wanted to say that you may never know what you might like or might not like if you dont listen to it . with getting back i ment getting new ideas but that can work vice versa, so i can get back to brostep too.

[gen_]

Okay, lets actually get to the root of what popstep is to you.

Pop, technically isn't a genre, its any watered down version of a genre with a simple chord structure and catchy lyrics. We've shown you countless remixes that could easily have been originals and fit the bill, but generally Skrillex, who is the only guy you have been able to mention apart from Britney's producer, is way too 'hardcore' for the Moms and Granny's out there. He also rarely follows chord patterns, so quite simply what are you trying to achieve.

Good vocals? Find a good sonrgwriter and singer and get us some vox then we can teach you how to mix good vocals.

How to write chords structures? Well show us a producer that you like apart from Skrillex that makes 'serious' dubstep and has a chord structure so we have an idea.

I guess my point is, aside from the whole ethical issue, you've been really really vague and said no to just about everything we've thrown your way.

[hutyluty]

you only went and ruined my vibe op you nob

just thrown up eveywhere and im blaming youe- you put me in a bad place eith those negative posts!!!!

[3za]

you only went and ruined my vibe op you nob

just thrown up eveywhere and im blaming youe- you put me in a bad place eith those negative posts!!!!

Hope your better in the morning, in the meantime listen to the helios posted in this thread.

[tuckerlinen]

chad, I was unpleasantly surprised to hear that you're in this for the 'scene bitches'. also your post count being 1313 is unsettling.

+1 to everything turnip said, we're on the same page brother

the august members held things down with tact and impartiality, as they always do, and I could well learn from their example

but

OP, what you're about I find abhorrent

[Turnipish_Thoughts]

+1 to everything turnip said, we're on the same page brother

Just plantin seeds brother

[ChadDub]

chad, I was unpleasantly surprised to hear that you're in this for the 'scene bitches'. also your post count being 1313 is unsettling.

No, I'm not in Dubstep for the scene bitches. I made a scenefag band with some friends for the scene bitches.

You guys don't understand that I do infact have deep feelings for the music I like. Before I got into EDM I was sentimental as fuck when it came to anything, but now I'm finally loosening up to the fact that nothing is as important as everyone makes it seem. No one needs to get this butthurt over this shit. It's only music.