Mixing Dubstep with Pop

narcissus · Post by **narcissus** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:17 am

"there's nothing evil about wanting to make pop music"

right.... then why does the very thought give me goosebumps?

sargentpilcher · Post by **sargentpilcher** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:38 am

gen_ wrote:Okay, lets actually get to the root of what popstep is to you.

Pop, technically isn't a genre, its any watered down version of a genre with a simple chord structure and catchy lyrics. We've shown you countless remixes that could easily have been originals and fit the bill, but generally Skrillex, who is the only guy you have been able to mention apart from Britney's producer, is way too 'hardcore' for the Moms and Granny's out there. He also rarely follows chord patterns, so quite simply what are you trying to achieve.

Good vocals? Find a good sonrgwriter and singer and get us some vox then we can teach you how to mix good vocals.

How to write chords structures? Well show us a producer that you like apart from Skrillex that makes 'serious' dubstep and has a chord structure so we have an idea.

I guess my point is, aside from the whole ethical issue, you've been really really vague and said no to just about everything we've thrown your way.

I apologise, I will try to be as specific as I can without uploading the track itself. I have probably 80% of the song done. The drums and transitions between parts could still use some work, and I don't own a sub, so I'm sure the mix is off by quite a bit. But anyways...

It's a SUPER housey verse with hip hop vocals on the verse, pretty prechorus that also serves as a buildup into the chorus, and when it drops I want the chorus to start. The song already has vocals on it, it's mostly mixed, but on this particular song the chorus never really worked, so I decided I wanted to experiment with it. The lyrics to the chorus start with "We're moving our bodies slower", and I thought that would be the perfect vocals to go with the beat going into half time and throwing some womps on there, but I'm not happy with anything I've tried on it, so I wanted to ask your guys opinions, and see if there were any examples out there that I could get ideas from.

I'm very hesitant to upload it, because I'm sure that at this point it will get torn apart.

benjam · Post by **benjam** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:58 am

Funny thing is even the people screaming murder in this thread werent around ten years ago in croyden. People forget they jumped on this bandwagon as well. Either way OP youll have more luck on X-factor i suspect.... You could sing britney....

arktrix45hz · Post by **arktrix45hz** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:53 am

sargentpilcher wrote:I have looked, and the fact of the matter is that there really ins't much dubstep out there that is as well produced as the Britney Spears bridge.

hahaha, fuck off.

leeany · Post by **leeany** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:25 am

This is a good example of pop mixed with brostep and some grime/hiphop.

I don't think mixing pop with dubstep will ever really work tho', seeing that Dubstep (and when I say dubstep I mean Loefah, Mala, Kode9) is really dark, minimal music focused on vibes and pop is pretty much the opposite of that

Maccaveli · Post by **Maccaveli** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:37 am

See these songs? They're about as poppy as real dubstep gets in my opinion. The vocals, the structure, the mixdown, the synths, the chords, everything.

The guys who produced them? Skream, Benga and Artwork. People who pioneered the scene and nourished it from the exclusively underground and local scene it was in 2004 to the worldwide phenomenon it is today. They loved the music every step of the way, and they continue to make more underground music for the love of it. They're probably the most consistently successful dubstep artists ever and they'd be earning a decent living off of it.

Now you sound like you discovered dubstep yesterday and dollar signs appeared in your eyes, so you've decided its gonna be your latest money making adventure and you are going to blatantly exploit it for financial gain. Do you honestly believe you can compete with them?

clifford_- · Post by **clifford_-** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 12:39 pm

benjaminC wrote:Funny thing is even the people screaming murder in this thread werent around ten years ago in croyden. People forget they jumped on this bandwagon as well. Either way OP youll have more luck on X-factor i suspect.... You could sing britney....

Croydon. Not croyden.

Not everyone jumped on a bandwagon. some of us were just vibing different sounding stuff at the time...
that different stuff turned out to be what people now call dubstep.

benjam · Post by **benjam** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:14 pm

clifford_- wrote:
benjaminC wrote:Funny thing is even the people screaming murder in this thread werent around ten years ago in croyden. People forget they jumped on this bandwagon as well. Either way OP youll have more luck on X-factor i suspect.... You could sing britney....

Croydon. Not croyden.

Not everyone jumped on a bandwagon. some of us were just vibing different sounding stuff at the time...
that different stuff turned out to be what people now call dubstep.

Ahh sorry Croydon.

clifford_- · Post by **clifford_-** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:17 pm

benjaminC wrote:
clifford_- wrote:
benjaminC wrote:Funny thing is even the people screaming murder in this thread werent around ten years ago in croyden. People forget they jumped on this bandwagon as well. Either way OP youll have more luck on X-factor i suspect.... You could sing britney....

Croydon. Not croyden.

Not everyone jumped on a bandwagon. some of us were just vibing different sounding stuff at the time...
that different stuff turned out to be what people now call dubstep.
Ahh sorry Croydon.

your lucky it wernt one of the croydon boys that had to correct you!

benjam · Post by **benjam** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:35 pm

clifford_- wrote:
benjaminC wrote:
clifford_- wrote:
benjaminC wrote:Funny thing is even the people screaming murder in this thread werent around ten years ago in croyden. People forget they jumped on this bandwagon as well. Either way OP youll have more luck on X-factor i suspect.... You could sing britney....

Croydon. Not croyden.

Not everyone jumped on a bandwagon. some of us were just vibing different sounding stuff at the time...
that different stuff turned out to be what people now call dubstep.
Ahh sorry Croydon.

your lucky it wernt one of the croydon boys that had to correct you!

icanicant · Post by **icanicant** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:07 pm

lol Finally the whole forum of deep heads and brostep lovers can unite and hate on something together

skimpi · Post by **skimpi** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:45 pm

this is a stupid idea, i think you should fuck off, why dont you just go away, and make a pop tune with some wobwobs, and stop asking people for help. its bad enough that you want to do this to make a quick buck, but then you cant even do it yourself and have to ask people for ideas on how to make it sound good, in order for you to make some money. why dont you just get someone else to make the music for you, and in the meantime become a classy expensive call girl and make money that way?

ComfiStile · Post by **ComfiStile** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:01 pm

skimpi wrote:this is a stupid idea, i think you should fuck off, why dont you just go away,

Almost pissed myself when I read that.

sunny_b_uk · Post by **sunny_b_uk** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:22 am

skimpi wrote:this is a stupid idea, i think you should fuck off, why dont you just go away, and make a pop tune with some wobwobs, and stop asking people for help. its bad enough that you want to do this to make a quick buck, but then you cant even do it yourself and have to ask people for ideas on how to make it sound good, in order for you to make some money. why dont you just get someone else to make the music for you, and in the meantime become a classy expensive call girl and make money that way?

LOLLLLLLL

TRIANGL · Post by **TRIANGL** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:36 am

sargentpilcher wrote:My problem, is I'm having a really hard time tying the 2 together. I am working on a pop song right now, and the chorus just wasn't working at all (Verse sounds great though!), so I decided I wanted to try and throw some dubstep in the chorus, while still keeping it pop. It's a pretty straightforward electro/pop song right now, and I keep playing it back trying to get ideas, but nothing is flowing to me. Is there anybody here who has tried melding pop with dubstep? Anybody have any ideas? Am I alone in this?

Some tracks that may or may not inspire you:

DJ Fresh ft. Sian Evans - Louder
SBTRKT ft. Little Dragon - Wildfire
Joker ft. Jessie Ware - The Vision (Let Me Breathe)
Katy B - Easy Please Me (original mix / Caspa remix)
Magnetic Man ft. Katy B - I Need Air
Lady Gaga - Alejandro (Rusko remix)
Diplo vs Sunday Girl - Four Floors
Ellie Goulding - Lights (Bassnectar remix)
Ke$ha - Animal (Switch remix / Billboard remix)
Ke$ha and Taio Cruz - Dirty Picture (Cookie Monsta remix)

Also, have a listen to these remixes by Johnson Somerset and John Monkman:

http://soundcloud.com/johnmonkman/sets/ ... rset-john/

That Sugababes track in particular sounds like the kind of thing you're aiming for -- 4x4 verses and dubstep chorus.

If it was me I'd forget about putting Skrillex-style noises all over the chorus -- it could be fine thrown in as a far bars of Britney-esque breakdown maybe (NO NOT THE HEAD-SHAVING KIND OF BRITNEY-ESQUE BREAKDOWN) but it's going to completely overpower the chorus and, to be honest, it's going to make the tune 100x less palatable to a mainstream pop audience.

wobbles · Post by **wobbles** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:16 am

tuckerlinen · Post by **tuckerlinen** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:46 am

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Sexual_Chocolate · Post by **Sexual_Chocolate** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:56 am

this thread =

that is all.

SLASH · Post by **SLASH** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:31 am

I don't think there's anything wrong with what your trying to do but you came to the wrong place to ask the question.
FilthZilla posted in this thread and his tunes are pretty "mainstream" is the word I would use instead of "pop" (sorry if that statement offends you FZ)
Sound is constantly evolving and most musicians/producers like to have a fan base for their music and share their art.
So I say to everyone go for what you know and what YOU'RE feeling and you'll be just fine. It's ok to like pop music and underground hip hop and elvis or whatever because only YOU can decide what YOU like, it's also ok to hate pop music and rap and only like country too.
What you don't realize is going from

point A making an amazing great song

to

point B getting monetary rewards and success from said song

is a veeery difficult process that involves growing your fan base and tons of legwork, promotion, timing and a bit of luck especially in this saturated market. Make a song / make a buck doesn't work like that but consistently doing what you love and then eventually receiving love back does. The song in my sig is mainstream-ish (or I would like to think so) . word.

sargentpilcher · Post by **sargentpilcher** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:32 am

After the last 3 - 4 days of trying to insert dubstep into a chorus, I'm closer and closer to agreeing with you guys. That's not to say that I won't still try, but I think the dubstep stuff will probably have to stay on a bridge or something. But, I mean, it HAS to be possible to make a bangin' chorus, even if you have to tone down the dubstep, there's gotta be something awesome one could do to make it sound awesome, it's just a matter of finding that awesomeness.

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