Looking for some hard criticism. New to Dubstep.

[hosnappp]

Hey, So I just started producing with Reason 5. And I'm not even sure I like it. But that's a different story. I'm looking for a high-automation style. Along the lines of the newest Skrillex/Chrispy/xKore/DubbaJonny. A good reference, actually... is this video of a few, compiled. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE-uH0OV ... re=related
Quartus Saul - Hagakure is by far one of my favorites.
I'm into the super complex and stupidly heavy stuff, I guess is what I wanna do.

Anyways. Without further ado... here's what I have, so far. Starting from my earliest work to my latest. I was wondering if anyone might be able to tell me what I should be doing to help make it easier on myself to do things that are difficult. Like automation in creative ways(which is why I don't really like Reason 5). I wanna make my OWN kicks, and my OWN patches and I wanna know what it is I'm doing along the way so that I can go back and understand exactly what it is I need to do to get the sound I want, in the future production of that song.

http://www.box.net/shared/ga3h7mxvku - First, ever. Reason.

http://www.box.net/shared/5xjtkmynhfvxq05s3yfd - When I was using Massive and Cubase, only. Trying things out, moreso than composing.

http://www.box.net/shared/yie5gtk5ovn88lyug364 - I was bored. Started using Reason, again.

http://www.box.net/shared/mkd7tlja6blq7beb565j - All sample-based. Nothing of my own work here except the automation and the composition. Reason from here, on out.

http://www.box.net/shared/hrem12jd4mbdy2dq3co1 - Was pretty proud of this. But it's not exactly what I want out of myself.

http://www.box.net/shared/16kytpo0mhaj0h93tbrx - Exported this about 10 minutes ago.

Thanks for your help. ANYTHING you can find to complain about in terms of the production, the composition, the theory. Anything. Let me know and I'll go from there to become a better dubstep producer. Cause right now? I'm shit.

[UVOZ]

i listened to your most recent one, it sounding good, just finish it up.

[hosnappp]

Thank you I will. Any production tips? I feel like my kick isn't getting through the mix :\

[DJ Synthesia]

i really like the last one gore, what effects do you have on your kick, do you have any bass boost or is it just a plain kick

[hosnappp]

It's three kicks layered together and EQ'd. I added a Maximizer and boosted around 8k and 3k and then added a low shelf to get those gritty bottom end freq's out into the mix. I have one kick, it's a higher, more punchy one. I have a middy one which gives that chest thump. And then the last one is all feel, no sound. Just sub freq's.

I'm glad you like it! I can send you a sample if you like. I'm more fond of my snare, though. But hey!

[DJ Synthesia]

its really really good, layering kicks correctly can be tricky to get right, but you did.my only critique is that, the mainbass drop, the wobble doesnt really stand out, it fades a little too quiet and kinda blends in with the rest of the background. try to make the wobbles sound stand out more.

[phrex]

you are actually getting positive feedback for this garbage?
get to know bass music first.

[hosnappp]

you are actually getting positive feedback for this garbage?
get to know bass music first.

That's the kind of feedback I'm looking for, unfortunately you were immature and useless about it. Care to tell me what I could do to better understand what it is I'm not doing right? Emphasize. What is it about the music that's making it 'garbage'.

[Anakratis]

you are actually getting positive feedback for this garbage?
get to know bass music first.

Don't be a dick. I wouldn't think your music is any better.

@ OP:

All your tracks are simply "meh" for me. Being honest, it's a good start, but it isn't where you want to be at your fullest potential. The drums are too quiet or just plain weak, you're majorly clipping at times (or too much compressing), mastering/widening is crap, the wobbles are kinda cheesy, theres not much of that super low sub bass, some melodies are a joke; but this is just me ranting. As I said, it's a good start, but there's still a lot more to learn. Good luck to you sir, and keep at it!

[djwanka]

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[Triphosphate]

you are actually getting positive feedback for this garbage?
get to know bass music first.

Oh you're so cool man, you were producing in your mothers womb, right? Why don't you go back to the secret ninja thread where it's totally acceptable to make unconstructive posts?

@op everyone starts somewhere man, you've got a good foundation to grow. You've got a long way to go before things really start clicking, but that's why this forum is here man, spend as long as you can going through the production bible and keep chugging along and getting feedback from here and you'll definitely see improvement. (and just ignore the haters, it's really easy to pick them out from the people who do care.)

[hosnappp]

you are actually getting positive feedback for this garbage?
get to know bass music first.

Oh you're so cool man, you were producing in your mothers womb, right? Why don't you go back to the secret ninja thread where it's totally acceptable to make unconstructive posts?

@op everyone starts somewhere man, you've got a good foundation to grow. You've got a long way to go before things really start clicking, but that's why this forum is here man, spend as long as you can going through the production bible and keep chugging along and getting feedback from here and you'll definitely see improvement. (and just ignore the haters, it's really easy to pick them out from the people who do care.)

Oh, I can tell. Haha. Nah, I've been a musician for a long time, now. I don't mind people like that guy. They help, whether or not they know it. My girlfriend and I hated his music, anyways. Thanks for the support, man.

you are actually getting positive feedback for this garbage?
get to know bass music first.

Don't be a dick. I wouldn't think your music is any better.

@ OP:

All your tracks are simply "meh" for me. Being honest, it's a good start, but it isn't where you want to be at your fullest potential. The drums are too quiet or just plain weak, you're majorly clipping at times (or too much compressing), mastering/widening is crap, the wobbles are kinda cheesy, theres not much of that super low sub bass, some melodies are a joke; but this is just me ranting. As I said, it's a good start, but there's still a lot more to learn. Good luck to you sir, and keep at it!

I hate my wobbles, I agree. They're total BS, haha. My melodies.. I just try to keep that ominous and 'big' sound while keeping them catchy. But it's true, they're also... ehhh.

I'll keep ALL of that in mind and work on my next track, trying to implement that. Any ideas to make my wobbles a little more.. extravagent? I usually mess with pitch automation and obviously rates. But whenever I listen to someone else's shit, it's ALWAYS so much more complex and... AWESOME.

[Triphosphate]

Frequency splitting is key to big wobbles, and it seems to be the theme of the day since I've made 3 posts about it I'm just gonna copy from another thread:

Fx track 1 is my bass, all frequencies.
I route 1 to 2, 3, and 4.
I make fx track 1 NOT route to master.
I put multiband compressors or eq's in 2, 3, and 4, and set them to pass through ONLY lows (2) mids (3) and highs (4) respectively. (track 2 is the sub bass right now)
I compress 2 to get consistent levels and I leave it mono. And route 2 to master.
I put appropriate effects on 3 and 4 and route them to 5.
I compress 5 to glue mids and highs together and route it to the master.

That and stacking effects which build harmonic content BEFORE the filter that makes it wobble. Effects like chorus, reverb, distortion, waveshaping, etc. will add harmonic content for your filter to make that 'wobble'.

Sometimes it's better to apply a little bit of distortion, then bounce/resample it and run it through the distortion again and again to taste.

Another trick I used recently was to make my bass, add the Lfo wobble, then route it through all my effects and repeat the Lfo wobble on it it the end. You end up with very defined womps. I tried it on the song currently in my sig actually.

[UVOZ]

sidechaining to your kick will emphasize its punch. maybe adding some kind of limiter on the kick to rid it of some of the high freq. & it should cut through nicely, i find a hard kick & add a little distortion like Ohmnicide to give it grit.

[phrex]

you are actually getting positive feedback for this garbage?
get to know bass music first.

That's the kind of feedback I'm looking for, unfortunately you were immature and useless about it. Care to tell me what I could do to better understand what it is I'm not doing right? Emphasize. What is it about the music that's making it 'garbage'.

overlimited, uninspired, boring beats, bass doesn't sit well.

wouldn't flame if it wouldn't be obviously a 'jump on the brostep wagon'-tune.
+ i do give good informative feedback to people who are actually trying to produce something unique.

[Triphosphate]

I'm all for him developing his own sound. But starting with emulation is totally natural, when someone takes formal classes in an instrument they start by learning to play songs that already exist, not making new unique songs. He did ask for hard feedback. I just think flaming him for 'jumping on the brostep bandwagon' can easily be rephrased into: "you should really explore the origins of dubstep, and other less famous but more talented artists, before you settle on this being your sound"