Philosophy?

[Acidmath]

Im a 4th year philosophy major/ nutty producer/musician.
Can happyness be objective?

[say_whut]

I'm doing a Philosophy module @ uni just now, and really wanted to get into a discussion but this subject kind of numbs me and angers me at the same time.

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[aquemini]

what is happiness?

[Shum]

what is dubstep?

[lyons238]

hah im in a philosophy class right now and its jokes. my teacher is a gay artist baby boomer tree hugger, but hes cool. class is easy as hell. really he just kinda gets you to think critically and creatively and be open minded and view all perspectives.

[tuckerlinen]

no

[Phigure]

Fuck Kant

That is all

[AllNightDayDream]

Fuck Kant

That is all

[knell]

what is happiness?

he was asking about happyness, not happiness...

[Acidmath]

Basically, is happyness intrisnically good? Or is it subject dependent?
This gets into an ethical dillema regarding psychological egoism.
Why do we want to be happy?

[knell]

happyness

intrisnically

You're going to have to do better than that if you want me to get deep with you.

[Acidmath]

hehe Im smashed so excuse the spelling or dont..
Can happiness be good in itself?

[lyons238]

Basically, is happyness intrisnically good? Or is it subject dependent?
This gets into an ethical dillema regarding psychological egoism.
Why do we want to be happy?

seems pretty simple to me. we want to be happy because it makes us feel good and comfortable. who wants to feel like shit all the time? so we do whatever it is that will make us happy, even subconsciously...were wired that way. probly started off as a reward system for when we killed prey and got good nutrition and food. except now were advanced to where we have all of these ideas and dreams it takes a lot to make us happy i guess. idk im a lil drunk, was making sense at first but i lost my train of thought haha

^acidmath - decent point. maybe there has to be sadness and other emotions in order to feel happy id assume?

[Acidmath]

yeah drunken philisophical discussions can be fun!
But why do we want to feel pleasure and not pain all the time?
Some people enjoy being tortured and being in pain all the time.
It seems as though in those cases, happiness is quite relative to perception.
How can pleasure be free of a subject attaching him or herself to it?

[lyons238]

yeah drunken philisophical discussions can be fun!
But why do we want to feel pleasure and not pain all the time?
Some people enjoy being tortured and being in pain all the time.
It seems as though in those cases, happiness is quite relative to perception.
How can pleasure be free of a subject attaching him or herself to it?

just rare cases of psychological disorders or peoples neurologic shit being wired diff idk. but my guess is the majority of people and any animal or specie for that matter likes to feel happy. like i said. i think we have happiness as a reward system to keep us moving forward and most of all to stay alive. its a proven fact that sex is the most natural serotonin releasing act, followed by eating chocolate. so i think its pretty clear that we're wired in order to feel good or happy when we do things that keep us alive and well, and comfortable. thats my theory anyway.

[Acidmath]

But cant we move forward and accomplish things while being sad or angry?
I get the whole reward system idea; I experience that daily.
But my question is, is if happiness which is a result from pleasure is only valued when experienced, does that mean that if happiness is not veiwed as good in itself, then is happiness an illusionary facade?

[lyons238]

But cant we move forward and accomplish things while being sad or angry?
I get the whole reward system idea; I experience that daily.
But my question is, is if happiness which is a result from pleasure is only valued when experienced, does that mean that if happiness is not veiwed as good in itself, then is happiness an illusionary facade?

i kinda see where ur going with that. but personally i think your just over thinking it, as i guess you've been trained to do with your philosophy background. imo happiness will always be viewed as good unless the person has a disorder or something.

[kidshuffle]

Fuck Kant

That is all

I agree. I just had to do a Poli Sci paper on one of his readings too, fuck I hate that guy.

[AxeD]

Basically, is happyness intrisnically good? Or is it subject dependent?
This gets into an ethical dillema regarding psychological egoism.
Why do we want to be happy?

haha philosophy students are such ridicilous people Somewhat in a good way though.


Basically, people who are happy and know it... will eventually end up clapping their hands.

[jugo]

unprovable abstract concepts are great - they've been keeping philosophers busy for thousands of years lol

Acidmath

there is never an answer in philosophy - just another question.