Quick Sub Bass Question

[chikin79]

Hey guys,

Firstly thanks to dubstep forum this place has given me a bomb of help so thank you all.

Ive been playing about with resampling etc to try and get some original sounds and figured when bouncing a sound, bounce it with the sub bass in. Alot of other people do the sub bass on another track which is a pain in the arse having to change pitch bends on the sub layer etc. My question is:

Is there any problem with resampling the Sub and the Sound together? Surely the volume on the sub would be the only problem over many different sounds but i guess that could be fixed by boosting/cutting the frequencies of the sub of each sound.

Im just about to start a new track and thought this workflow would be easier but at the same time dont want to get halfway through and come across loads of problems with this method.....

Many thanks in advance for this

Cheers

Craig

[ShapeSHIFT]

Sure, that won't be a problem. To play with the sub stuff later you can split it out with a multiband compressor or linear phase EQ.

[chikin79]

awesome thank you for your reply I guess ill be trying it out then!.

[wobzilla]

Yeah i find that my sub can get a little messy after using distortion plugins and resampling. I tend to just bounce it with the sub until I'm happy with the sound then, if need be, I'll cut from about 60hz and insert a pure sine instead. Just to make sure that my sub is as clean and pumping as it can be and filling all those low frequencies. I'll tweak the pitch and velocity as need be. Then just add a little mix compression to gel the two together.

[Electric_Head]

if you resample your sub it will alter the sub.
A sub should be a sine wave.
any effects will alter the wave.
which could effect the strength of the sub, the tuning, etc.

[chikin79]

Bugger so its not so straight forward .....

hmm thats got me stumped.

So say for example you had made a sound messing with tunings, lfo rates etc and bounced to audio how do you go about getting your sine wave to fit with any pitch slides, changes etc.

With it being so low its really hard to try and tune anyhow let alone with some crazy changes.. my only guess is to make a note of the settings.. surely is there an easier way.

Thanks again guys for the help, much appreciated

Craig

[justanotherdj]

It's probably easier to keep your sub seperate from the rest of the bass, at least thats what I find anyway.

[Triphosphate]

So say for example you had made a sound messing with tunings, lfo rates etc and bounced to audio how do you go about getting your sine wave to fit with any pitch slides, changes etc.

Dunno what DAW you're using, it makes a slight difference... If you're using FL you should have the ability to link your pitch slide automations to the sub, one automation clip can control a whole myriad of things at once. For example with massive, I'll bake a midrange bass with pitchslides controlled by a macro, linked to an automation clip. If I want the sub bass to follow the midrange bass with the pitch slides (which I most likely would) I would just make a macro for the sub's pitch and link it to the same automation clip. It's not too hard, and any DAW should have a similar way to accomplish the same.

A lot of the time I won't make an independent instrument for the sub bass, I'll make a midrange wobble using 2 oscillators in massive and make the 3rd osc. a sine with a touch of square for harmonics, and set it at -36 pitch or something (whatever gets me into the sub range) and finally I will multiband compress the sub and mids/hi's to gain independent control over them.

[chikin79]

Thank you again you guys really know your stuff. Im using Ableton so the linking automation is probably quite easy to do just not something i come across. When you create your synths in massive do you leave them as midi then? Or do you bounce with the sub in or out. The whole idea begin my theory is that i want to trigger my sounds via launchpad in the session view of Ableton hency why i need ( or would like) the sub on the same track as the hi/ mid bass. I find that i struggle to gauge whether a bass is thick enough without the sub (i have read people do their sub after their arrangmrnt is complete!)
Thank you all again for your time!

[Triphosphate]

It depends, sometimes I add a sub after, but usually when I'm sticking to brosteppy midrange type wobbles. As to midi vs rendering, it depends how many effects I'm planning on using, and how much CPU they consume, or if I'm layering multiple massive's to make a single wobble. If the wobble calls for lots of RAM/CPU usage I'll render. Sometimes I'll render the midrange stuff only. It's entirely situational, to me.

[Teknicyde]

Sure, that won't be a problem. To play with the sub stuff later you can split it out with a multiband compressor or linear phase EQ.

They are the same thing

Unless your doing it all wrong.

[Triphosphate]

Lol tek I've seen you banging your head over this confusion on like 3 threads now. There should really be a whole thread in the bible about band splitting basslines and the different methods and the do's and don'ts.

[-[2]DAY_-]

dude just copy your MIDI into a new lane and assign that to a sub bass osc.

[chikin79]

Awesome thanks guy i best do some research!