WHO HERE THINKS WOMEN ARE EQUAL?

[kingGhost]

super big dick ken

[deadly_habit]

i wanna meet a girl from the 50s in modern form

[Devry_Kaneda]

i wanna meet a girl from the 50s in modern form

is valium a good club drug?

[Neptune]

very interesting article.

[deadly_habit]

i wanna meet a girl from the 50s in modern form

is valium a good club drug?

no but fishnets are

[collige]

Now clearly there are reasons, very deeply ingrained in our culture, why many more men than women choose to pursue a career in music - that's a far larger issue than I could hope to tackle.

I think this sums up the article. I have seen no reason to believe that gender politics in dance music overall have changed significantly since its beginning. I'ts always been male-dominated.

As for Scuba's comment, I don't necessarily agree with it, but I think it's safe to say that not everyone who disagrees with feminism (whatever their perception of it may be) is a sexist.

[incnic]

r u saying there are shades of grey??????

[sigbowls]

i like grey

[incnic]

ur ghey then
sandy chinos or GTFO

NO GREY SUUEDE BROGUES

[Soiree]

I listen to cooly g or ikonika when feeling misogynistic.

[wolf89]

I prefer women to men personally

[sigbowls]

shhhh

[Sexual_Chocolate]

I prefer women to men personally

[sigbowls]

I prefer women to men personally

[pandabear]

I'm going to veer off to another area of music culture which I grew up in and involved until early 2000s and will try to get to some sort of conclusion or something, related to the topic (hopefully). Bboy/Bgirl. I cannot speak of the entirety of hip hop (or other music and musicians) d/t obvious reasons - mainstream and the influence of fashion, commercialism, etc. I remember growing up, 11/12, started dancing with friends in school. Very basic moves of the foundation, which turned into hours and hours of practice as I got older and more involved in the dance. I remember when I started, a simple toprock/uprock-drop-six steps-bridge-basic floor move-freeze (repeat) got females so much love on the dance floor. Come mid to late 90s there was a surge in powerheads and girls had to get their skills on top alongside the boys. Everyone had to work their butt off, practice night and day, in order to get love. There is NO EASY PROPS (™ by Asia One). This was the time when it became normal for bboys to battle bgirls. I think it's only in this culture where I feel women are equal to men and there's an explosion in diversity too. Spare me the bullshit about what you read from intelligent people (like BM mentioned) who cannot dance but can write. Those with no skills need to shut up. In some ways, I think you only deserve your props when you worked hard on it.

I'll just leave this here. Probably one of the few who has served more bboys than the other way around.

[budsteq]

I prefer women to men personally

[ketamine]

I swear this thread existed before

[Electric_Head]

I swear this thread existed before

lies, all lies

[kidshuffle]

I don't think there is really sexism- labels/clubs make quite a big show of it when there are female DJs/producers- it 'd be easy enough to keep under wraps for producers. If anything its the reverse sexism that gives female artists a bad name- been to a few 'all female DJ' nights where most of them have trouble even beatmatching but get the gig on the merit of being female.

I hate to be that guy, but I have to agree this this. Its brutal to see, especially since the good DJ's usually get shit spots because they don't care about when they play, while the "hot ones" who can't beatmatch get the top slots. From my experience, you can't even say its men causing this either, as it is the women who organize the events...but it seems that they don't wanna get too catty.

[magma]

Scuba's comment makes me think he's not spoken to enough women about life and the journalist's reply is downright offensive homophobia. Lesbianism has as much to do with feminism as male homosexuality does to male supremacy. Not a lot. Sadface.

Society is still set up incredibly badly for girls. Not women quite so much - those that make it out of their teenage years with their competitive and "constructive" urges still in tact are able to do very well, but there is a huuuuge social filter during the school years which allows boys free reign to get geeky/obsessive about anything they like (and thus move onto study/work/hobbies they're passionate about) whereas girls are blinkered to a lot of their possibilities by being told that the most important things to worry about are fashion, celebrity gossip and boys... they're more likely to end up settling for an unskilled job and a low sense of social worth because the jobs they're taught to lust after are few and far between. Not everyone can become a personal shopper to the stars or a sex columnist in New York City. The idea that one would develop a sense of style instead of their rest of their life is mental and needs addressing societywide... men are just as likely to dress well or badly as women and yet they're not allowed to let it take over their life - the amount of time we allow teenage girls to spend playing with outfits and learning how to act koi, the less we allow them time to spend making music, doing experiments in the back garden or learning the art of truly fulfilling conversation and the more we shackle them to chasing ultimately empty fulfillment for the duration of their existences.

So, err, yeah, we're a lot better than we were in the 1890s, but we're no way perfect and we need a big shift in the way we relate to our children before we can stop worrying about it. There are still generations left in this struggle. There are more awesome females out there then there have ever been (the OP included), but we don't stop the fight until everyone has the chance to be as awesome as they can be.

Despite being one of my pet subjects, talking about feminism is incredibly difficult for a bloke... reminds me of great quote a friend wrote for a Fresher's magazine aimed at girls arriving at Uni "Never trust a man who says he's a feminist. Never trust a woman who says she isn't."

I read this book a few years ago and still think about it a lot... it's a bit ranty, but very relevant. It made my ex girlfriend VERY angry, she wasn't very keen on the idea that she might be a little bit complicit in her own oppression: